Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Electrical

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 01-19-2013, 05:37 PM   #1
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: cleveland ohio
Posts: 445
Rewards Points: 250
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


I have six kitchen receptacles on a 20 amp circuit. Two of them above the sink. I checked the panel and it is a standard breaker. The circuit feeds only the receptacles in the kitchen. I have found no gfi protection for those six receptacles What I want to do is pull all the receptacles and replace them all. The first one with a gfi, as to protect all up stream. Or do I buy standard receptacles and replace the breaker with a fault interrupter. The house was built in 1977 in Cleveland Ohio. I am looking for the best most up to code way of doing this project. Cost is not a factor.

paintdrying is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 06:03 PM   #2
A "Handy Husband"
 
rjniles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: South Carolina Low Country
Posts: 4,173
Rewards Points: 2,256
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


Identify the first receptacle and replace with GFCI and connect the rest to the load side.

Or

Install a GFCI breaker.

Either one is fully compliant.

__________________
Location:
Coastal South Carolina
rjniles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 06:49 PM   #3
Licensed Electrician
 
k_buz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: SE Wisconsin
Posts: 4,343
Rewards Points: 2,006
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


Technically, those receptacles behind the sink should be blanked off so they cannot be used.
__________________
__________________________________________________ ______________
Answers based on the National Electric Code. Always check local amendments.


k_buz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to k_buz For This Useful Post:
rjniles (01-19-2013)
Old 01-19-2013, 08:40 PM   #4
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Eighty Four, Pa.15330
Posts: 1,348
Rewards Points: 694
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


I don't buy that. What did the N.E.C say at original inspection?
bobelectric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 09:56 PM   #5
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: cleveland ohio
Posts: 445
Rewards Points: 250
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


Is there any reason to replace all receptacles with gfi s? I would also like to clarify the location of the receptacles behind the sink. They sit just on the very outside edge of the sink and are @ 8 inches above the counter top.
paintdrying is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 10:13 PM   #6
Licensed Electrician
 
k_buz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: SE Wisconsin
Posts: 4,343
Rewards Points: 2,006
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


I don't know when the code was put in place. Personally, I don't THINK it was ever legal to put a receptacle directly behind a sink, but I have nothing to back me up. If the receptacles are outside the edge of the sink, they are fine.
__________________
__________________________________________________ ______________
Answers based on the National Electric Code. Always check local amendments.


k_buz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 10:34 PM   #7
Electrical Contractor
 
jbfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Newnan GA
Posts: 5,926
Rewards Points: 2,248
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


I don't know if they were still using al. back then, but make sure to have a copper/al. rated device if you do.
__________________
Yes I am a Pirate, 200 years too late. "Jimmy Buffett"
jbfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 11:34 PM   #8
Licensed electrician
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Maryland
Posts: 7,837
Rewards Points: 2,472
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


I have never seen a gfi rated for aluminum.
__________________
Answers based on the National Electrical Code. Local amendments may apply. Check with your local building officials.
Jim Port is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 12:35 AM   #9
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hartfield VA
Posts: 27,518
Rewards Points: 4,152
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


Only need one gfi per circut as long as it's the first one in the circut.
In coming power goes to the line side, out going goes to the load side.
joecaption is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 07:19 AM   #10
Electrical Contractor
 
kbsparky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Delmarva
Posts: 3,368
Rewards Points: 2,000
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


GFCI protection for kitchen counter receptacles was not required until the 1987 edition of the NEC.

So, any house built or wired before that time did not require such protection.

As others have pointed out, you can provide GFCI protection in many ways, by installing a breaker at the panel, or a GFCI device at the first outlet in the circuit.

Or, a stand-alone GFCI receptacle in place of each outlet. If your circuit includes an outlet for a refrigerator, then I'd recommend this method, leaving the fridge outlet without GFCI protection.
__________________
-KB

Life is uncertain -- eat dessert first!!
kbsparky is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to kbsparky For This Useful Post:
daveplot (01-20-2013)
Old 01-20-2013, 09:42 AM   #11
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: cleveland ohio
Posts: 445
Rewards Points: 250
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


My original thought was that the fridge was feed by the kitchen receptacles, I was surprised to see the fridge on a dedicated circuit. Same with the microwave. The receptacles are worn out, I pulled one of them to just take a peek and it was back stabbed. The electrician I worked with would pull, cut and strip, then bend the wire and put it on the screw of the receptacle. In what seemed like one fluid movement. I have plenty of slack, should I cut and strip or wrestle getting the wires out of the back?
paintdrying is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 04:15 PM   #12
E2 Electrician
 
stickboy1375's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Litchfield, CT
Posts: 5,142
Rewards Points: 2,076
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


Quote:
Originally Posted by k_buz View Post
I don't know when the code was put in place. Personally, I don't THINK it was ever legal to put a receptacle directly behind a sink, but I have nothing to back me up. If the receptacles are outside the edge of the sink, they are fine.
There is nothing wrong with a receptacle behind a sink, code wise anyways...
stickboy1375 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2013, 05:43 PM   #13
Electrical Contractor
 
kbsparky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Delmarva
Posts: 3,368
Rewards Points: 2,000
Default

Kitchen outlets above sink- no gfi protection


Quote:
Originally Posted by paintdrying View Post
... I have plenty of slack, should I cut and strip or wrestle getting the wires out of the back?
If you have plenty of slack, cut and strip would be the way I'd go ...

__________________
-KB

Life is uncertain -- eat dessert first!!
kbsparky is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My kitchen sink smells like sewer kasgirl Plumbing 7 11-23-2012 05:57 AM
kitchen revamped, help with sink drain plumbing rfire15 Plumbing 6 09-29-2011 09:45 PM
Kitchen sink centered on cabinet? sillyboy22 Plumbing 3 03-02-2010 10:16 PM
temporary set up in utility room for kitchen renovation (sink; dishwasher) ilyaz Plumbing 3 01-25-2010 07:07 PM
Code issues for witch operated outlets above kitchen cabinets? jcims Electrical 5 03-25-2009 08:28 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.