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zapped 10-22-2010 07:45 PM

Kitchen GFCI with 12/3 feed
 
I would like to wire up 2 kitchen counter receptacles that need to be GFCI protected. Will the following wiring method be up to code?

2 - 20A T slot GFCI receptacles.
2 - separate boxes (about 3' from each other)
12/3 wire feeding 1st receptacle
12/2 wire feeding 2nd receptacle off pigtails with neutral and red wire.
2 - 20 breakers, side by side but not tied together.

AllanJ 10-22-2010 08:03 PM

All okay except:

... The breakers. You need a double wide double breaker (double pole) with the handles tied together.

oleguy74 10-22-2010 08:05 PM

handel ties required.you are aware it needs to be a 240v ckt?

AllanJ 10-22-2010 08:06 PM

Be sure the breaker is positioned in the panel so you measure 240 volts across the two hot terminals.

zapped 10-22-2010 09:11 PM

Are you sure the handles have to be tied? I thought that as long as the 2 hot wires are not terminated in the same box you can use separate breakers? Obviously each hot will be on opposite bus bars for a balanced load.

oleguy74 10-22-2010 09:16 PM

code says handel ties.210.4(b).

frenchelectrican 10-22-2010 09:45 PM

Ya in USA or Canada ?? there is diffrence on code to deal with it.

Merci,
Marc

oleguy74 10-22-2010 09:59 PM

usa.is this guy in canada?

frenchelectrican 10-22-2010 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oleguy74 (Post 521560)
usa.is this guy in canada?

Hey Oléguy., I will give you a 50/50 split I have a feeling the OP is from Canada due the T-slots recetpale on kitchen circuits which I know not very often used in USA side.

Merci.
Marc

joed 10-22-2010 10:03 PM

You need to post your location. Your rules sound like you might be in Canada. Separate breakers are allowed if you are in Ontario.

zapped 10-22-2010 10:08 PM

Yes, I'm from Ontario, Canada.

After more searching I discovered that the 12/3 feed does NOT have to be on a double pole receptacle or have the handles tied.

The 2 single 20 breakers have to be positioned such that there would be 240V between the red and black. The neutral wire in the first receptacle must have a pigtail to allow removal of the receptacle without interrupting the circuit downstream.

This doesn't apply to split receptacles and if both duplex receptacle were in a gang box you may have an issue.

frenchelectrican 10-22-2010 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zapped (Post 521565)
Yes, I'm from Ontario, Canada.

After more searching I discovered that the 12/3 feed does NOT have to be on a double pole receptacle or have the handles tied.

The 2 single 20 breakers have to be positioned such that there would be 240V between the red and black. The neutral wire in the first receptacle must have a pigtail to allow removal of the receptacle without interrupting the circuit downstream.

This doesn't apply to split receptacles and if both duplex receptacle were in a gang box you may have an issue.

Maybe so but with split receptales IIRC they have to be on 15 amp circuits but Joed will confirm the excat details and make sure you have RCD protection 1 meter from sink but how far out I will let Joed confirm this part due you are in near his area so he will give you a stright answer.

Merci.
Marc

oleguy74 10-22-2010 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frenchelectrican (Post 521562)
Hey Oléguy., I will give you a 50/50 split I have a feeling the OP is from Canada due the T-slots recetpale on kitchen circuits which I know not very often used in USA side.

Merci.
Marc

t-slots 20 amp recps,is all i use on kit ckts.that goes for the gfci outlets too.some aeras that i work in require them for kit ckts.

zapped 10-22-2010 11:05 PM

It's actually not 1m from sink. GFCI receptacles are required for all receptacles within 1.5m (59") of sink, bathtub or washbasin. (Ontario Rules)

They way they keep expanding the GFCI zone, your neighbour will have to protect his plugs from YOUR sink!

jlhaslip 10-22-2010 11:45 PM

Don't you split the receptacles so that the top and bottom are on different circuits?


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