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Old 06-12-2012, 12:13 PM   #46
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I can't tell you how many houses I have gone to with extension cords run from the garage door opener receptacle across the ceiling and down the wall to an appliance of some sort....

and lets face it, if the GFCI trips, its because a problem exists within the appliance.
Or the GFCI device... which is why we couldn't afford to have refrigeration equipment on them.

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Sometimes you have to use common sense since the code is minimum. We installed one circuit for the fridge two countertop circuits mwbc for the dishwasher and disposal and one circuit for electric stove hood and microwave all 20 amps. And lighting on 15 amp circuit shared with hallway and bathroom lights.
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Or the GFCI device... which is why we couldn't afford to have refrigeration equipment on them.
That's the reason why we did not put our fridge on a GFCI because we almost lost everything in there due to a faulty GFCI. Shortly after coming home one night noticed no power to the fridge and the GFCI would not reset.

I think the only thing that saved everything is the large capacity ice maker was full.
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Or the GFCI device... which is why we couldn't afford to have refrigeration equipment on them.
Sorry to hear that you do not consider the chance to prevent a serious shock to someone or prevent an electrocution as too expensive.
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Or the GFCI device... which is why we couldn't afford to have refrigeration equipment on them.
That is a ridiculous statement... Your refrigerator is broken...
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That's the reason why we did not put our fridge on a GFCI because we almost lost everything in there due to a faulty GFCI. Shortly after coming home one night noticed no power to the fridge and the GFCI would not reset.

I think the only thing that saved everything is the large capacity ice maker was full.
Funny, because I have had my freezer on a gfci for years... along with my fish tanks, condensation pump, water softener, wine cooler, beverage cooler, small refrigerator, cable modem... AHhh.... and not one issue...
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Sorry to hear that you do not consider the chance to prevent a serious shock to someone or prevent an electrocution as too expensive.
Sorry that your grasp of English is too lax to realize that wasn't the definition of "afford" I meant.

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Funny, because I have had my freezer on a gfci for years... along with my fish tanks, condensation pump, water softener, wine cooler, beverage cooler, small refrigerator, cable modem... AHhh.... and not one issue...
Anecdotal. Don't think there might be a reason for the exception in previous versions of the NEC?
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That is a ridiculous statement... Your refrigerator is broken...
No... what's ridiculous is not considering that a GFCI can fail. Because I've had to replace several for doing that following electrical storms, or unknown reasons probably related to age. They usually fail in the tripped state, which all things considered is probably the safe one. Oh yeah, circuit breakers and surge protectors fail too. Want me to show you the pics of the burnt ones?
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No... what's ridiculous is not considering that a GFCI can fail. Because I've had to replace several for doing that following electrical storms, or unknown reasons probably related to age. They usually fail in the tripped state, which all things considered is probably the safe one. Oh yeah, circuit breakers and surge protectors fail too. Want me to show you the pics of the burnt ones?
You are missing the fact that its a safety issue, not a cost of food issue..
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Anecdotal. Don't think there might be a reason for the exception in previous versions of the NEC?
Your just being simple minded, people have died, GFCI's save lives, its a code requirement, deal with it.
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Your just being simple minded, people have died, GFCI's save lives, its a code requirement, deal with it.
"Your" needing some English lessons, in the area of spelling and reading comprehension. If you want to tell the NEC that the engineers who wrote up all versions of the code prior to 2011 are "simple minded", please be sure to copy me on it. I'd love to hear their response.
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"Your" needing some English lessons, in the area of spelling and reading comprehension. If you want to tell the NEC that the engineers who wrote up all versions of the code prior to 2011 are "simple minded", please be sure to copy me on it. I'd love to hear their response.

What is it with you people? Im on the 2005 NEC and I still install GFCI's everywhere that are required in the 2011, you know why? because I don't want to be "that" guy that has to live with a death because I didn't want someones fridge to stop working...
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OMG...just drop it already.
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Your just being simple minded, people have died, GFCI's save lives, its a code requirement, deal with it.
Oh the know it all, condescending comments just keep on coming. Must be nice to feel you have the final word on everything.

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