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elmaur 05-10-2012 07:20 PM

Kitchen counter and island outlets
 
I will be extending the kitchen counter about 6 ft from the last of 4 outlets on a 20A circuit. I assume I must add another GFCI outlet. Can I have 5 outlets on this 20A circuit? I also need an outlet on the island. Can it be on the same circuit?

Jim Port 05-10-2012 07:27 PM

The NEC only requires a minimum of 2 20 amp circuits to serve the countertops.

If the extension will already be downstream of a GFI there is no need for an additional one.

Yes, the island will require at least one GFI protected 120 volt receptacle.

elmaur 05-10-2012 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 918956)
The NEC only requires a minimum of 2 20 amp circuits to serve the countertops.

If the extension will already be downstream of a GFI there is no need for an additional one.

Yes, the island will require at least one GFI protected 120 volt receptacle.

??? So are you saying I need to pull another 12/2 because I am adding the fifth oulet in which case I would put 2 outlets on one circuit and 3 on the other? Does the island outlet have to be on its own circuit?

Edit: I am not sure if you answered that the island can be on one of the 2 20A counter circuits?

Dierte 05-10-2012 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elmaur

??? So are you saying I need to pull another 12/2 because I am adding the fifth oulet in which case I would put 2 outlets on one circuit and 3 on the other? Does the island outlet have to be on its own circuit?

Jim said 2 circuits. Just extend your circuit for your ctop and island and call it a day

elmaur 05-10-2012 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dierte (Post 918978)
Jim said 2 circuits. Just extend your circuit for your ctop and island and call it a day

hmm...that sure clears things up. There is just one 20A circuit now. If I extend it I still have one circuit. I don't think that is what you meant. I will run another 12/2 to add the 2nd circuit. I'll have 6 outlets total so I'll do 3 outlets on each and then call it a day... unless somebody objects.

rrolleston 05-10-2012 11:49 PM

If it's easy to do now then it may be a good idea.

Dierte 05-11-2012 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by elmaur

hmm...that sure clears things up. There is just one 20A circuit now. If I extend it I still have one circuit. I don't think that is what you meant. I will run another 12/2 to add the 2nd circuit. I'll have 6 outlets total so I'll do 3 outlets on each and then call it a day... unless somebody objects.

Missed the part where you said only one circuit.

kevinp22 05-11-2012 06:46 AM

code requires 2 20a rec to serve kitchen/dining/pantry loads and both must be present at the kitchen counters (i dont have the code reference handy)

i would definitely pull a second circuit. and while you are at it, consider dedicated circuits for the microwave (if its an above the range model) and refrigerator:wink:

elmaur 05-11-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kevinp22 (Post 919216)
code requires 2 20a rec to serve kitchen/dining/pantry loads and both must be present at the kitchen counters (i dont have the code reference handy)

i would definitely pull a second circuit. and while you are at it, consider dedicated circuits for the microwave (if its an above the range model) and refrigerator:wink:

I do appreciate everyones help here but as I read, some of the advice is unclear. Someone I was casually talking to about my renovation said something about the island outlet had to be on its own circuit. What you are saying kevinp22 seems to go along with that but maybe not. Do I need 2 20A circuits at the counters plus one for the island or can the 2 counter circuits include the island?
I have dedicated circuits for microwave and refrigerator. No confusion about that!

HouseHelper 05-11-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by elmaur (Post 919411)
I do appreciate everyones help here but as I read, some of the advice is unclear. Someone I was casually talking to about my renovation said something about the island outlet had to be on its own circuit. What you are saying kevinp22 seems to go along with that but maybe not. Do I need 2 20A circuits at the counters plus one for the island or can the 2 counter circuits include the island?
I have dedicated circuits for microwave and refrigerator. No confusion about that!

The island receptacle may be shared with other countertop circuits, but must be GFCI protected. You need at least two 20A circuits that serve the countertops.

elmaur 05-11-2012 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HouseHelper (Post 919415)
The island receptacle may be shared with other countertop circuits, but must be GFCI protected. You need at least two 20A circuits that serve the countertops.

Well that seems to be clear enough, thank you.

kevinp22 05-11-2012 02:21 PM

Well said househelper. My response wasnt as intuitive as yours.


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