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Old 08-01-2011, 03:28 PM   #1
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when we redid our kitchen, we put in...
2 20a circuits for the counter tops
1 20a for dishwasher, disposal
1 20a for microwave/stove ignitors
1 20a for fridge
1 20a for lighting

Its my understanding that you are to have no lighting on the counter top circuits. Now a year later i am finally getting around to putting in the under/in cabinet lighting, it's low voltage LED's and i am wondering if its against code to wire them to the 2 20a small appliance circuits? I put specifically placed outlets inside and right below my cabinets but now i realize these outlets are running off of the appliance circuits.

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Code violation.

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Nuts!

Guess I'll need to punch a few holes in my new walls to run power down from the lighting circuit. Next owner of this house may be really confused by our choice of outlets inside and just under cabinets
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I believe if you use plug in (as opposed to hard wired) under cabinet lights it will not be a code violation.
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I believe if you use plug in (as opposed to hard wired) under cabinet lights it will not be a code violation.
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I believe if you use plug in (as opposed to hard wired) under cabinet lights it will not be a code violation.

Anything stopping me from wiring a plug on the end of a hard wired system and plugging it in?
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Anything stopping me from wiring a plug on the end of a hard wired system and plugging it in?
Yes, the U.L, and the NEC/CEC.
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Anything stopping me from wiring a plug on the end of a hard wired system and plugging it in?
That would violate the UL listing for the light.

You could install a combination device on the SABC (1/2 receptacle, 1/2 switch) and plug a plug in under cabinet light.
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That would violate the UL listing for the light.

You could install a combination device on the SABC (1/2 receptacle, 1/2 switch) and plug a plug in under cabinet light.
Sounds like that's by best bet, at least it's better then running new wires.
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We used undercabinet lights with a cordset on it ... and installed a wiremold box under the cabinet with a receptacle in it. You can install that outlet on the SABC, and plug it in, and be perfectly Code legal.

But direct wire the same fixture into the same circuit, and you have a violation.

Both installations are just as safe, in fact, the direct wired version is probably safer. But this is one instance where the Code is not interested in safety, but has crossed the line into design aspects --> something that they claim they don't engage in if you read the preface.

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