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Old 07-20-2012, 08:20 AM   #31
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Wow that looks nice to meet my professionally installed main panel doesn't look like that. I appreciate the advice that you've all given me and I'll go back and take a look at what I can clean up and make look better

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Old 07-20-2012, 10:16 AM   #32
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Where's the feeders...? They usually go in first, so that they're tucked away at the back, out of the way.

(Apart from the above mentioned issues such as the missing K.O. seal - which I feel you left out as a red-herring - and the 14/2 using the neutral as a hot...and the sheathing being too long (i.e., "all conductors, shall be identified within three inches of entering, or exiting enclosures").

Your panel wiring is inconsistent, i.e., different lengths of stripped conductors; some conductors protrude out of the back side of the neutral bus, others don't. (It would be uncertain if you had tied down a conductor partly over the insulation).

All finished screws (i.e., screws that have been terminated over the conductor) need to be left with their slots in the horizontal plane, and if they're Phillips, the the "+" needs to be left as shown...otherwise, how would you know - to within a slim percentage of error - whether or not the conductor has been properly terminated at it designated torque...?

(None of you have worked government - right). Mind you, for a beginner, the panel's wiring sloppiness is...what it is. Good try, though...but call your electrician buddy to check over the work please. I don't want to see you on News At 10...
Please elaborate on the red stuff above. I've never heard of that.
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:00 PM   #33
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I certainly hope that was sarcasm, if not it is a load of stinky stuff.
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:03 AM   #34
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Your's looks better than this:
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:04 AM   #35
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But not better than this:
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Please elaborate on the red stuff above. I've never heard of that.
Common practice in "Industrial Electrical" work. It's not a "NEC code", but if you gonna work in the refinement plants in California, you better take note.
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I certainly hope that was sarcasm, if not it is a load of stinky stuff.
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the only problem i see is you used NM cable and not conduit lol
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the only problem i see is you used NM cable and not conduit lol
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:37 AM   #40
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But not better than this:
That looks good....but not pratical....

1. With the wires tie wraped like that, under heavier loads, you can get heating in the conductors. Rare....but it can happen.

2. No service loops....if you have to make a change....no wiggle room to move the wire over to another spot...unless it's closer.

I've worked on a panel like that....not easy to work with.
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Tie Wraps should be illegal in panels. It makes tracing the circuits nearly impossible to trace the circuits. Then try cutting the zip ties without damaging the insulation. One of my bigger pet peeves.
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That looks good....but not pratical....

1. With the wires tie wraped like that, under heavier loads, you can get heating in the conductors. Rare....but it can happen.

2. No service loops....if you have to make a change....no wiggle room to move the wire over to another spot...unless it's closer.

I've worked on a panel like that....not easy to work with.
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Tie Wraps should be illegal in panels. It makes tracing the circuits nearly impossible to trace the circuits. Then try cutting the zip ties without damaging the insulation. One of my bigger pet peeves.
I always cut them off when I find them. They are good for initial organizing, when making up the panel...when left loose, but they ought to be cut off at the end - not tightened, and left.
(And inductive heating is a real issue).
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I'm going to bare my sole here.......here is a pic of my panel.....but please note, this is work in progress. I'm doing a 2-story addition....the new load center is powered up now....I have all the existing ckts (old part of house) wired in....and I'm starting to get the new stuff pulled and landed.....

Also note that a lot of the wireing is stranded THHN/THWN so it does not hold it's position real well.

As you can see I do a service loop....this means that the wire will basically reach any breaker in the panel.

'My standard' is to put the neut in the same relative position as the breaker. If the breaker is the 5th from the bottom...I put the neutral in the 5th screw from the bottom....makes it easy to find...same for the ground...

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I know this gets passed by a lot of inspections, but the NM cables entering the back of the cabinet is a code violation...

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