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Old 02-02-2010, 11:04 PM   #151
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Yes, you were....I've had no problem accessing it as have many others

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Old 02-02-2010, 11:12 PM   #152
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No problem....its was moved to Mod area for now
I would be interested in what other sites he has posted this question on
Actually, I totally forgot about posting the question over here:
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load...5417376.html?5

It totally slipped my mind because over there, the answers were relatively positive. Nothing compared to the negativity over here.


I know that once again I ruffled a few feathers over the 3-way/4-way with 14/2 question:
http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/sho...d.php?p=277816
Wire a 4-way light circuit with 14/2
But again, it was a situation where a few were unhappy simply because I didn't want to take their advice until someone could site something that at least sounded like code.

BTW, as for that particular question... I am now the proud owner of 250' of 14/3 (couldn't believe it was something like $10 more than the 100' roll).

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Old 02-02-2010, 11:34 PM   #153
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Actually, I totally forgot about posting the question over here:
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load...5417376.html?5

It totally slipped my mind because over there, the answers were relatively positive. Nothing compared to the negativity over here.

I know that once again I ruffled a few feathers over the 3-way/4-way with 14/2 question:
http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/sho...d.php?p=277816
Wire a 4-way light circuit with 14/2
But again, it was a situation where a few were unhappy simply because I didn't want to take their advice until someone could site something that at least sounded like code
You asked on a GARDEN web-site....really ??
Well what do you need us for

You liked these guys:
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Totally speculating here.
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I don't know if it's to code or not
but ignored this:
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You should use a mechanical connection. In that situation I would drill and tap the column
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:06 AM   #154
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Scuba_Dave,

You've been on my back a lot lately with comments like these:


You do know how to do a Google search ?

See, you can't even keep track of all your threads

You asked on a GARDEN web-site....really ??
Well what do you need us for



And now you're on my back once again beating a dead horse (AGAIN):
"[you] ignored this:
Quote:You should use a mechanical connection. In that situation I would drill and tap the column"


Dave... you're a moderator here for goodness sakes. Can you honestly say that you're following the forum rules here? Let me quote one in particular:

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Dave... you're a moderator here for goodness sakes. Can you honestly say that you're following the forum rules here? Let me quote one in particular:

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Dave is doing the best what he is doing so far and he know what to do and please do not cross that line.

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Old 02-03-2010, 12:52 AM   #156
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The codes aren't free. You might get online snippets here and there, but the NFPA is in the business of selling code books. So is the ICC, etc. If there's a full download out there for free, it is almost certainly illegally posted.
It's not illegal. The NFPA doesn't have any say in the matter. The NEC is public domain because the courts ruled that laws are public domain, and the NEC has been passed into law in many areas.

They can still sell books or whatever, but they can't sue someone for hosting copies of laws.

Here's a direct link to download the Arkansas electrical code, which includes the entire 2008 NEC:

http://ftp.resource.org/codes.gov/ar_electrical.pdf

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It's not illegal. The NFPA doesn't have any say in the matter. The NEC is public domain because the courts ruled that laws are public domain, and the NEC has been passed into law in many areas.

They can still sell books or whatever, but they can't sue someone for hosting copies of laws.

Here's a direct link to download the Arkansas electrical code, which includes the entire 2008 NEC:

http://ftp.resource.org/codes.gov/ar_electrical.pdf
actually the 5th district only covers Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. That ruling is not applicable to the other 47 states. That means in 94% of the US, it has not been ruled that the NFPA has lost their copyrights.

from a site that argues there is no copyright protection:

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On June 27, 2003 the US Supreme Court refused to review the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that building codes, when enacted into law, could not be copyrighted. This would indicate (at least in the 5th circuit) that all building codes enacted into law are now in the public domain. This would included (sic) the National Electrical Code (NEC)
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first, their argument is wrong as the SCOTUS does not necessarily grant a writ of certiorari because they believe the lower courts ruling is correct nor does it if they believe it is incorrect. They grant a writ more often simply because they believe the legal issues are of such importance, and especially so if they deal with constitutional issues. Based on that, their claim that since the SCOTUS has not addressed this, they condone it is simply wrong.

. and somebody must apply for a writ of certiorari. The SCOTUS does not go out looking for cases to take on.

and I still have not gotten anything to download from that site even after a dozen tries.
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...and I still have not gotten anything to download from that site even after a dozen tries.
I did some poking around on that web site and found this:
http://bulk.resource.org/codes.gov/

The states with files that include the NEC 2008 are 127MB in size... even at high-end DSL rates, that's going to take a while to download.
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I did some poking around on that web site and found this:
http://bulk.resource.org/codes.gov/

The states with files that include the NEC 2008 are 127MB in size... even at high-end DSL rates, that's going to take a while to download.
I have let my computer set for extended periods of time. I don't know if I have let it go for more than 10 minutes though. Maybe that is the problem.

thanks

btw: comcast broadband. Claims of up to 12 meg. I generally test around 18-20 on most test sites.
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If you right-click on one of the listed documents and select "Save Target As..." then pick a filename, the transfer window will give you a progress bar. I've got low end DSL and it took over 15 minutes.
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I suppose after all this argument over the JB-Weld issue we should finally get around to mentioning that code does direct the electrician towards using industry standards in NEC 110.12. The FPN refers inspectors and electricians to the use of ANSI/NECA 1-2006 in regards to accepted standards for neatness and workmanship. These standards refered to as the NECA Accepted Industry practices are many volumes usually available in pdf or disc form and cover all accepted standards for electrical installations not just workmanship.

You will likely find the anwser to jb weld for securely supporting electrical boxes in those standards and likely in this volume ... unfortunately you have to purchase to view.

http://www.necanet.org/store/pdf_toc/NECA1r_TOC.pdf


In the 2002 NEC/NFPA handbook commentary examples are given for unaccepted standards of workmanship .... ie ... exposed runs of cable like nm, unsupported cables, use of improper support methods for cabinets, cutout boxes, electrical boxes, raceways, and equipment enclosures....as described in NECA Industry standards for installations 1-2006.

I don't feel like 30$ to find the answer but the inspector will likely use these standards to rule on the JB Weld.
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To be clear, you cannot download the 2008 NEC from the NFPA website for free, but you CAN READ THE ENTIRE CONTENTS.

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