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shtoink 10-15-2008 11:57 AM

Installing receptacles in kitchen base cabinets
 
Hi

I am re-wiring my kitchen and in order to bring it up to code, I need to install a couple of 20A GFCI receptacles on a peninsula section of kitchen base cabinets that extends perpendicular to the wall. The kitchen sink is also in the middle of this section of cabinetry.

I want to put one receptacle box inside the sink base cabinet with the receptacle accessible from the back side of the peninsula.

The other receptacle is tricky. At the end of the peninsula there is a section of cabinet with a stack of drawers. The drawers are not quite as deep as the cabinet so there is about a 3 inch space at the back of the drawers inside the cabinet which could accommodate a box for a receptacle that would also be accessible from the back of the peninsula.

Can anyone see any good reason why I should not do this? Is there anything in the code that would prevent me from installing these?

I assume I could just run BX cable up from the crawlspace through the floor and through the bottom of the cabinets to feed these receptacles.

Thanks

Marvin Gardens 10-15-2008 12:59 PM

I know nothing about your situation but I love your location. Would that be Vancouver, BC?

shtoink 10-15-2008 01:21 PM

Yes I am in Vancouver. The house in question is actually on Gabriola Island.

Termite 10-15-2008 01:58 PM

I can answer your code question for USA applications, but the CEC may be different. Hopefully someone can assist!

shtoink 10-15-2008 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by thekctermite (Post 172569)
I can answer your code question for USA applications, but the CEC may be different. Hopefully someone can assist!

I'd be interested in knowing what the US code is. I will eventually be speaking with an inspector here, but I was wondering if I should even consider trying to put a box in the cabinet space behind the drawers. I have another option for the location of this receptacle, but it is less desirable.

I believe the Canadian code is based on the NEC, so it's probably the same rule in this case. I intend to confirm this before proceeding with the work.

chris75 10-15-2008 03:26 PM

In the US, you can install a receptacle anywhere you want, except over a bath/shower space.

rgsgww 10-15-2008 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shtoink (Post 172582)
I'd be interested in knowing what the US code is. I will eventually be speaking with an inspector here, but I was wondering if I should even consider trying to put a box in the cabinet space behind the drawers. I have another option for the location of this receptacle, but it is less desirable.

I believe the Canadian code is based on the NEC, so it's probably the same rule in this case. I intend to confirm this before proceeding with the work.


You need to use the Canadian code anyways.

210.52(B)(3) Kitchen Receptacle Requirements.

Receptacles installed in a kitchen to serve countertop surfaces shall be supplied by not fewer than two small-appliance branch circuits,either or both of which shall also be permitted to supply receptacle outlets in the same kitchen and in other rooms specifired in 210.52(B)(1). Additional small-appliance branch circuits shall be permitted to supply receptacles outlets in the kitchen and other rooms specified in 210.52(B)(1). No small-appliance branch circuit shall serve more than one kitchen.

Id suggest a further reading in atricle 210 for even more information.

Termite 10-15-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chris75 (Post 172620)
In the US, you can install a receptacle anywhere you want, except over a bath/shower space.

Sure you can (except face-up on the counter), but not all locations will count as required receptacles serving the countertop.

Can you put a receptacle inside a cabinet behind the drawers? Sure. If you want to. Will it count? No.

chris75 10-15-2008 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by thekctermite (Post 172663)
Sure you can (except face-up on the counter), but not all locations will count as required receptacles serving the countertop.

Can you put a receptacle inside a cabinet behind the drawers? Sure. If you want to. Will it count? No.

I know... :) It seemed to me the OP was asking if the location itself was cool, not if the location was going to meet the required kitchen receptacle requirements. :whistling2:


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Originally Posted by shtoink (Post 172510)

Can anyone see any good reason why I should not do this? Is there anything in the code that would prevent me from installing these?

I assume I could just run BX cable up from the crawlspace through the floor and through the bottom of the cabinets to feed these receptacles.

Thanks


ScottR 10-15-2008 05:38 PM

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Can you put a receptacle inside a cabinet behind the drawers? Sure. If you want to. Will it count? No.
Just for my edification (and maybe the OP's too), why wouldn't it count? Would the receptacle have to be on the end of the peninsula?

Wait, you're not thinking that the OP meant the receptacles would be accessible from inside the cab. behind the drawers, right? :whistling2:

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there is about a 3 inch space at the back of the drawers inside the cabinet which could accommodate a box for a receptacle that would also be accessible from the back of the peninsula

shtoink 10-15-2008 05:53 PM

:)
Haha!

Well, my question was really whether code would allow a receptacle to be mounted in the back of a drawer cabinet (facing outwards of course), and if so, whether there were any good reasons not to. Since this is a 7 ft long peninsula, I intend for it to be on one of the 20A circuits servicing the countertop (there is no wall behind it). I have just done a little research and I believe the code states that the receptacle cannot be lower than 12" below the countertop surface and the countertop overhang cannot exceed 6".

Thanks everyone!

chris75 10-15-2008 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shtoink (Post 172715)



I believe the code states that the receptacle cannot be lower than 12" below the countertop surface and the countertop overhang cannot exceed 6".

Thanks everyone!


It sure does, but thats for the REQUIRED receptacle, nothing is going to stop you from installing another receptacle someplace else.

Termite 10-15-2008 07:42 PM

I misunderstood the drawer thing...I was thinking you were going to install it IN the cabinet, not through the faceframe accessible from the kitchen.

So...

Yes, a receptacle can be installed in the faceframe of the cabinet, no less than 12" below the countertop, and not under an overhang exceeding 6". That is, if there is no other option to mount it above the counter at a height not exceeding 18".

Some inspectors might make a case for requiring the receptacle to be accessible from the kitchen side, not an adjoining room.

chris75 10-15-2008 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by thekctermite (Post 172768)

Some inspectors might make a case for requiring the receptacle to be accessible from the kitchen side, not an adjoining room.


Just out of curiosity, what code section would they cite? :no: :laughing:


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