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safron 08-22-2011 10:24 AM

Installing a pull chain ceiling fixture
 
I was attempting to install a new ceiling fixture over the sink...just a simple globe fixture. However the switch that turns that light on also turns a light on over the bar. I had wanted to put a ceiling fan over the bar so the only way I knew to be able to use one or both was to change the fixture over the sink to one that has a pull chain, that way if I wanted it off and the ceiling fan on, I could turn it off with the pull.
I took the old fixture out noticing that there were two black wires together, one white wire and two bare ground wires. I hooked the new pull chain fixture the same way and it didn't work, so we thought maybe it just wouldn't accept a pull chain fixture, so I put the old fixture back up...the two black to the one black, the one white to the one white and a ground on the fixture to the two ground wires....and now neither that light nor the one over the bar will come on. We checked the breakers and they all appear to be fine. It is a mystery to me why nothing will work no...nothing else in the house is not working. Any ideas what might be the problem?
Thank you,
Floyd Orr

Code05 08-22-2011 10:38 AM

You are missing a white wire.

Any other wires in the box?

This romex I assume.

Jim Port 08-22-2011 10:38 AM

The connections sound correct. Have you checked the bulb?

Code05 08-22-2011 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 712708)
The connections sound correct. Have you checked the bulb?


Jim, assuming two romex cables.

2 hots, 1 neutral, 2 grounds.

I would say something is screwy.

safron 08-22-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Code05 (Post 712707)
You are missing a white wire.

Any other wires in the box?

This romex I assume.

That is the way it was when we took the old one down and it had worked fine....there was a little piece of white wire about 4 inches long but it just fell out and wasn't attached to anything

safron 08-22-2011 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 712708)
The connections sound correct. Have you checked the bulb?

yes...the bulbs were fine...even if they had been bad for some reason...the other light over the bar would have lit up...both were dead

safron 08-22-2011 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Code05 (Post 712718)
Jim, assuming two romex cables.

2 hots, 1 neutral, 2 grounds.

I would say something is screwy.

We figured there were two black and two ground because when the switch is turned on, the light over the sink and the bar come on at the same time...so it would appear that is what connects them to the switch

safron 08-22-2011 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Code05 (Post 712707)
You are missing a white wire.

Any other wires in the box?

This romex I assume.

Yes, it appears to be romex...is it possible that if we pulled the entire wire down a little...there might be another white wire too...strange that both lights worked prior to taking it down...it's a mystery

Code05 08-22-2011 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by safron (Post 712727)
That is the way it was when we took the old one down and it had worked fine....there was a little piece of white wire about 4 inches long but it just fell out and wasn't attached to anything


You have a broken neutral wire. The cable that has only a hot and ground has a white wire that broke off. You need to pull some slack and reattach.

Jim Port 08-22-2011 11:35 AM

I missed that it was only one white. The white piece that fell out is likely the incoming white to complete the circuit. Is there a white stub still in the box?

Code05 08-22-2011 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by safron (Post 712733)
Yes, it appears to be romex...is it possible that if we pulled the entire wire down a little...there might be another white wire too...strange that both lights worked prior to taking it down...it's a mystery


yes there is a white wire in that cable. reattach it.

safron 08-22-2011 11:37 AM

Thank you...so it should work if I have two white, two black and two ground from the recepticle and attach them to the fixture???

safron 08-22-2011 11:40 AM

I will have to pull the romex out a little and see...strange this is that the piece of white that fell out didn't give the appearace that it was ever attached to anything...not crimped at all

safron 08-22-2011 11:42 AM

From what I am getting from all the replies is that in that cable...I should see two wires each of white, black and ground...and if we put them together and attach them to the new fixture...we should be ok? We will pull that romex down a little and see if there is another white...thank you

One other question...the original fixture was turned on by the wall switch that turned on both lights...does it cause a problem that I am wanting to replace that fixture with a pull chain one...wouldn't we still use the wall switch to keep the power on to both lights and use the chain to turn the one over the sink on and off and use the pull chains on the ceiling fan that we want to put over the bar to turn it on and off...should we not be trying to put a pull chain fixture in place of the original one? I wouldn't think that should have made a difference though.

Code05 08-22-2011 12:17 PM

Fix white wire. Pull chain is fine.


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