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09-16-2012, 12:22 PM
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Installing OTR microwave but no electrical outlet in upper cabinet
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You do not need a dedicated circuit as a otr microwave does not have any more wattage than an on the counter microwaves
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Sorry, Mike. The manufacturers disagree with you and call for a dedicated circuit.
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09-16-2012, 12:26 PM
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I deleted, a lot! (didn't want banned).
So all I'm going to say is
WOW
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09-16-2012, 12:31 PM
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Installing OTR microwave but no electrical outlet in upper cabinet
Actually depending on your area and country code states you must have a dedicated line for a microwave like this. There's even clearance measurments for where it has to go in the cabinet
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09-16-2012, 12:47 PM
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It's the forum. I'm seeing duplicate posts all over the place today.
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09-16-2012, 12:49 PM
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I didn't mean to post a second time if it posted twice. I actually thank you for my your replies telling me I was wrong.
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09-16-2012, 12:56 PM
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Installing OTR microwave but no electrical outlet in upper cabinet
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I didn't mean to post a second time if it posted twice. I actually thank you for my your replies telling me I was wrong.
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Wow! Such good manners. Welcome to the forum!!
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09-16-2012, 01:02 PM
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I didn't mean to post a second time if it posted twice. I actually thank you for my your replies telling me I was wrong.
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Thought it was odd that you thanked Jim, then re-posted an incorrect response.
The forum does seem a little off today,(thought it was my computer).
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09-16-2012, 01:31 PM
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Installing OTR microwave but no electrical outlet in upper cabinet
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I didn't mean to post a second time if it posted twice. I actually thank you for my your replies telling me I was wrong.
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Mike.,
If you hang around long engough you will understand why we the pro's will tell you the correct answer with the codes. I know there are few very good DIY'ers in here as well they do use good common sense as well.
So if you have any doubt about any codes just ask us we will steer ya in correct way.
Merci,
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09-16-2012, 01:36 PM
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Mike.,
If you hang around long engough you will understand why we the pro's will tell you the correct answer with the codes. I know there are few very good DIY'ers in here as well they do use good common sense as well.
So if you have any doubt about any codes just ask us we will steer ya in correct way.
Merci,
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True, just don't associate post count with knowledge and experience.
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09-16-2012, 01:41 PM
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True, just don't associate post count with knowledge and experience.
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MDR !! ( LOL !!)
That is good one.
Merci,
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09-16-2012, 08:27 PM
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Installing OTR microwave but no electrical outlet in upper cabinet
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Actually depending on your area and country code states you must have a dedicated line for a microwave like this. There's even clearance measurments for where it has to go in the cabinet
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Andrew or anyone who knows,
What are the clearance measurements or where might they be found? NEC?
Thanks,
Bob
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09-16-2012, 08:56 PM
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Installing OTR microwave but no electrical outlet in upper cabinet
My comment refers to cec. I don't think there is a rule for it in the nec but I'm sure an nec guru will speak up on that.
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09-16-2012, 11:18 PM
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Installing OTR microwave but no electrical outlet in upper cabinet
The vertical clearance from the stove may be in the installation instructions. It is not an NEC issue.
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09-17-2012, 07:07 AM
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Thanks gents!
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09-20-2012, 09:49 AM
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Installing OTR microwave but no electrical outlet in upper cabinet
Ok. I got quotes from 3 different electricians and all them visited my home to check out the situation. One of them said that the only way to do it was to break through the dry wall and then pull a dedicated 20 amp circuit through the attic with proper wiring as per code and then drop it through to the kitchen. He was hesitant to draw a wire from the nearest 20 amp outlet. He quoted about $400 to run the wire but the dry wall repair will cost more. The other two electricians said they would have to basically cut the dry wall all the way from the main bedroom to the kitchen to run the wire and they can't do it via the attic. Both suggested that I draw a wire from the nearest 20 amp outlet and run it to the circuit above. They did realize it wasn't upto code and breakers could trip. One quoted $1500 to run it through the dry and the other didn't give me a quote for that. To pick a circuit from the 20 amp outlet they said it would cost $475 and $288 respectively without considering dry wall repairs. My microwave is 1.65 kw with 14.8 amp requirement. The manual says it requires a dedicated 15 amp circuit and right now it is plugged into a 20 amp circuit. Why does the manual require just a dedicated 15 amp circuit when it says it amperage requirement is way about 80% of 15 amps. The really weird thing is that my 20 amp outlets don't have a T prong to accommodate a a 20 amp only device. I am thinking of going for the very first electrician but I want to be very sure that he will be able to finish the job he started. I don't want him to cut a hole in the dry wall and then realize that the job can't be finished because of some obstruction. I understand that electricians have insurance and this guy is insured for 2 million and I was wondering in case he can't complete the job will I be reimbursed for dry wall repairs by his insurance or is it just a risk I have to take? Another question is if licensed electricians can suggest violating the code then why is there a code there in the first place? Isn't there a fine for the electrician if he knowingly does a job which is against the code? Wouldn't he be held liable for a fire in case it determined it is because of the wiring of the microwave not being as per code?
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