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Old 01-06-2010, 05:44 PM   #1
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Hello Everyone. I want to install a new panelboard with a main disconnect.
The house is rented. This is my plan.
Gather all the outlets and lighting in each room.
Multiply all receptacles by 180 watts and lighting by 75
watts. Total all the watts for the entire house.
Divide all watts by 240 volts in order to get amperes.

The total amperes is the size of panel board.
STEP 1. have DWP cutt-off all light.
STEP 2. Get a permit from the city
STEP 3. Borrow electricity from a neighbor in meantime
STEP 4. Install Panelboard
STEP 5. Have DWP reconnect electrical.
PLEASE tell any advice of any kind or any suggestions. I am sure
many of you have a lot of experience in this.Thank You in advance.

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Old 01-06-2010, 05:48 PM   #2
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Is the owner of the house OK with this? Where are you located?

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Old 01-06-2010, 06:04 PM   #3
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Yes, my advice is the owner of the property needs to have this work completed
You as a renter are probably not allowed to do the work - at least not here
Where are you located ?
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Hello. Thank you. But let clarify.
I am the owner of the house. I am renting the house to some
people. The tenants do not want me to do this because in the
meantime they have no power. I live in Los Angeles.
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OK.....that makes more sense
But your load calc is not accurate...not how its done

You need to do a full whole house power calc
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This is a load calc that I found somewhere & have been using myself

hmmmmmmmmmmm.......I guess I can't upload it....excel file 97-2003 format
Ahh..Ok..............zipped it
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File Type: zip Electrical_Load_Calculator blank97.zip (7.1 KB, 36 views)
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As an owner of a rental in my area, you must use an electrical contractor to do this job.
If you own the house, and live in the house, you would be allowed to do this work.

Is the reason for the upgrade a safety issue?
You could put them up in a hotel over night.
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A competant electrician should be able to do this in a day.
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As a owner of many past and current rental properties, I would recommend to hire a electrician to ensure the job is done properly and effectively due to liability concerns. It should be a 1 day job.
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In most areas, homeowner's permits are not issued for rental properties. You have to own and occupy the house to qualify to do your own electrical work.

You'll have to call a licensed electrician.
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[quote=kbsparky;378173]In most areas, homeowner's permits are not issued for rental properties. You have to own and occupy the house to qualify to do your own electrical work.
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Just to add to this you would also have to live in the house for a year after you as a homeowner completed the work!
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Please allow me to be blunt. Based on the way you wrote up your missive, i am convinced that this project is way over your head! Do your self a favor and avoid getting either electrocuted or burning your house down. Go out and hire a licensed & insured electricial contractor.
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Thanks for the responses and thanks for the load calculator website.
I have a book "Electrical Wiring Residential" for reference. In theory, I can
do it myself, but I have to hire a licensed electrical contractor.Once, the
DWP cut the power from the pole, then it is easy to install the main
disconnect and the panel board with the circuit breakers.
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Gabriel, in my jurisdiction you can face CRIMINAL penalties for doing the electrical work yourself and renting your property without the "licensed contractor" and the "inspection" or "permits". In all jurisdictions you will have to comply with all local requirements for renting your property.

- It is your responsibility to keep electrical service operational while the property is occupied by a tenant. Failing to do so with diligence and without culpable delay can violate your landlord responsibility to keep the property in 'habitable' condition. From the consensus on the site, I'd say that would be anything more than a day. But in most places that's up to a court to decide.

- Your tenants can ask the court to rescind their lease if the property is uninhabitable. They may also withhold rent (via rent escrow) until you comply with the laws.

If I was your tenant I wouldn't let you do the work either. Why would they agree to this? Would you agree to live in an unsafe house? Who knows when you'd get the power back on, or if you did it in compliance with local building and electrical codes. I'd also report you to local tenant right's organizations and local prosecuting attorney.

Sorry about the rant, but it is really wrong to do un-permitted electrical work when other people's lives are at stake.
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Gabriel24.,


I don't think I will add any more comment due other members here allready gave you the straght answer by State Law if you do not live in the building you own you MUST hire a electrician there is no other way around with this code and law.

Please it much far less hassle just get Electrician to come out and deal with it.

For simuair set up as you describing that is anywhere from half to full day to work on this depending on the current set up and other situatation it will arise.

I want to give you a forewarn this not always be a easy task there is more than just a panel upgrading.

My simple rules .,,"" Attendez-vous l'inattendu "" it mean expect the unepected so be prepare for last minute change.

Merci,Marc

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