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Old 11-14-2009, 03:01 PM   #1
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I am hanging a chandelier fixture in a one story house with attic access. There is no existing receptacle in the ceiling, but I do have a switch that controls the upside down plug in the adjacent wall.

I have limited access in the attic and the wires are all covered up with blown in insullation. I would like to intercept the wire from the switch to the plug.

What is the best way to go about doing this???

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Old 11-14-2009, 07:43 PM   #2
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Run a wire to the new location into the outlet on the wall. Then put a blank cover on this outlet.

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Old 11-14-2009, 11:31 PM   #3
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Can I just fish a new wire from the switch to the new fixture?
Basically abandon the existing run form the switch to the outlet.
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yes as long as the wire from the switch to the outlet to be abandoned is the only wire and the electric is not jumping to another area.
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I intercepted the wire from the switch to the plug
It has 3 wires and a ground (red, whit, black and ground)
The chandelier has a black white and what looks like a ground (yellow/green)
Which wires do I splice together?
Or can I even do this?
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How heavy is the chandelier?
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very small.
maybe 15 lbs
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very small.
maybe 15 lbs
OK. (Some chandeliers can be quite heavy and you would need to add supports for the weight, but for this you can use a regular ceiling light fixture box.)

So 1st thing is to install an electrical box in the ceiling. Something like this might be best to help support the weight...

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Then next you need to TOTALLY understand the electrical wiring in your home before you can make any electrical connections.

There are many ways a switch/outlet can be wired. Sometimes power is run to the switch electrical box. Sometimes power is run to the outlet electrical box. Sometimes a junction box is used.

An electrician would easily be able to tell what was what. This would be from experience and doing a bit of testing. Looking at the wires in the outlet, looking at the wires in the switch box, and looking at the wires in the attic.

If you want to do this yourself, I suggest you get a book on electrical wiring and read it cover to cover. Then you should know enough to figure out the wiring in your home. These books are available at home improvement stores or all sorts of books here...
http://www.buildersbook.com/Merchant...tegory_Code=40

Then before doing ANY electrical work, ALWAYS turn off the main power to the entire house!

There is a thing called a MWBC or multi-wire branch circuit. The wires in such a cable would be on two different breakers. If you turn off one breaker, there would still be live power on the other breaker/wire!

Or there may be two different breakers controlling power to the wires going into the same electrical box!

If you turn off the main power, you will be sure to cut off power to ALL wires and avoid accidents.

Also take pictures and make diagrams of how things are currently connected before disconnecting anything. Then you can return things to the way they were if needed.

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Ok, here is a beginning lesson on switched outlets for you...

Look at the following pictures and you will notice that they have broken off a "tab" on the electrical outlet. This is so one outlet can always be on and the other switched.

So when taking your pictures of how things are wired now, make note of the outlet and if this tab is broken or not. Make note of which wires go to the tab side and which wire to the upper, which wire to the lower, and which side the broken tab is on. Save the outlet in case you want to return things to the way they were.

(You can always place sticky labels on the wires so you can remember what went to what.)

Switched outlets...
http://www.ask-the-electrician.com/s...g-diagram.html

And the wire colors in the above probably have NOTHING to do with what wire color is for what in your home. Maybe? Maybe not?

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intercepted the wire from the switch to the plug
It has 3 wires and a ground (red, whit, black and ground)
The chandelier has a black white and what looks like a ground (yellow/green)
Which wires do I splice together?
Or can I even do this?
Crap....another homeowner splice buried in the insulated attic

There are better ways to do this but if you have already cut the wire....

Please make your connections TIGHT! and in a JUNCTION BOX!!


Run a 2 wire with ground from the interception point to the fixture.



In a junction box......

Black from switch to black and red to 1/2 switched wall receptacle. The recep will no longer be 1/2 switched.

Red from switch to black to light.

3 whites together, grounds together.


I would rather see the new 2 wire cable going from the switch to the fixture and no attic junctions.

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