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Old 04-06-2008, 07:39 PM   #16
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Is it just me or did he take what looks to be pretty good notes? Did you guys read the original post? He tells you what came from where, what 3 wires were attached to the fixture, and what he's not even touched.

Thank you for making this comment. Unlike some arrogant electricians (that can't provide any insight), you read my post thoroughly and comprehended my issue.

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Old 04-06-2008, 08:16 PM   #17
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Not noting which white wire was attached to the previous light fixtures black wire is not a sin, but is done by most homeowners all the time.

Just mark the proper white wire with black marking and lets move on.
Thank you again for your assistance (and patience). Just a quick note, both of the white wires were connected to two screws directly on the light fixture. There were no wires coming out of the light fixture. This wiring/light fixture was part of the original house build in 1984. That may have something to do with it.
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Old 04-06-2008, 08:29 PM   #18
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Thank you for making this comment. Unlike some arrogant electricians (that can't provide any insight), you read my post thoroughly and comprehended my issue.
You can see it anyway you want, but the answer is obvious to us arrogant electricians... You took a fixture down, you didnt pay attention to what you did, so now your screwed... I am in no way trying to put you down, I only asked why you didnt pay attention to how the orignal light was wired...
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The man was hardly screwed. Having to choose from 2 white wires is not the end of the world.

I thought this forum was about helping someone who asked a simple question. Not criticizing why he needs to ask it in the first place.

This is not a rant chris75 just a little perspective.
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Old 04-06-2008, 09:49 PM   #20
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The man was hardly screwed. Having to choose from 2 white wires is not the end of the world.

I thought this forum was about helping someone who asked a simple question. Not criticizing why he needs to ask it in the first place.

This is not a rant chris75 just a little perspective.
I understand, and maybe i'm a little overboard, its just lately the posts of flowing with stuff that people take apart with out paying attention, and maybe its just a little frustrating... but like my original post, it was just a question.
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:00 PM   #21
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Thank you again for your assistance (and patience). Just a quick note, both of the white wires were connected to two screws directly on the light fixture. There were no wires coming out of the light fixture. This wiring/light fixture was part of the original house build in 1984. That may have something to do with it.

The screw terminals should have had different colors. Silver for grounded (neutral) conductor and brass for the ungrounded (hot) conductor. This would insure proper polarity on the lamp holder.

Which means lamp holders shell would be neutral and the tab at the bottom of the holder would be hot.

Thats why it is important to know which one is hot.
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The screw terminals should have had different colors. Silver for grounded (neutral) conductor and brass for the ungrounded (hot) conductor. This would insure proper polarity on the lamp holder.

Which means lamp holders shell would be neutral and the tab at the bottom of the holder would be hot.

Thats why it is important to know which one is hot.
Ah, now we're getting somewhere. I did note which screws were connected to which white wire (I forgot to add this in my original post). This helps. Unfortunately, when I wire the fluorescent fixtures wires to this I'm not getting positive results(in other words, it won't turn on).

In this case would the fluorescent fixture need a ground to the fixture box?

Thanks again for the assistance. If you were in the metro NW Arkansas area, I would hire you in a heartbeat to complete all the work on my house.

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I understand, and maybe i'm a little overboard, its just lately the posts of flowing with stuff that people take apart with out paying attention, and maybe its just a little frustrating... but like my original post, it was just a question.
This is the last response I'll post to this line of comments since it doesn't deal directly with the issue at hand.

Chris75, I realize that I may have taken your original question too personally, but I was looking for suggestions not more questions. I tell my personnel all the time that a lot gets lost in text, so be careful how you interpret and send e-mails. I obviously don't take my own advice. At any rate, I can appreciate your frustration, but please understand where I'm coming from. I took very detailed notes of what I observed and the only thing I took apart was two screws attached to two wires(which I did note, but didn't post). I read up on electrical wiring (I know this doesn't make me an expert) and when I opened up the fixture to find an overcomplicated set of wiring for a simple 3-way system, I was confused. As far as I'm concerned with your comments, no harm no foul.
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Ah, now we're getting somewhere. I did note which screws were connected to which white wire (I forgot to add this in my original post). This helps. Unfortunately, when I wire the fluorescent fixtures wires to this I'm not getting positive results(in other words, it won't turn on).

In this case would the fluorescent fixture need a ground to the fixture box?

Thanks again for the assistance. If you were in the metro NW Arkansas area, I would hire you in a heartbeat to complete all the work on my house.
You do need to install the ground wire on fluorescent fixtures.

You should check the voltage to ground on the ungrounded wire to verify both proper ground and hot conductors. Than check voltage between grounded and ungrounded to verify a proper neutral.

If this looks good you might have a defective fixture.
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Just a quick note, both of the white wires were connected to two screws directly on the light fixture.
To bad you didn't tell us this before you called the electricians who provide free advise, arrogant. It would have saved a lot of time and irritation.
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I'm not sure if you're trying to insult me, but that's kind of ludicrous considering this is a DIY forum...of course I don't know what I'm doing. I bought this house two years ago and I'm attempting to fix ALL of the mistakes the original builder/electrician made.

If you don't have anything useful to post, don't post!

If it wasn't intended as an insult to me, please ignore my rant and further explain your comment.
Dude, IMHO you just got a very valuable tip from a competent electrician. The guy just told you in his way (questionable but gee...he probably worked all day) that even us pros take notes.

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Also keep in mind that electrical work needs to be done properly and it's not as easy as some would like to think. To tell you the truth, you should do something else and hire an electrician to do the job right before you burn the house down or electrocute yourself!
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:00 PM   #27
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Come on guys. can't you see the kids made there peace and are playing nicely now.

The fire is out and pouring gas on it won't do anything now.

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