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Old 08-15-2010, 01:54 PM   #1
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I live in a basement apartment, with no access to the circuit breaker panel. Is it possible/safe to put up a ceiling fan with the breaker switch still on?

The wires are there, just swapping out the lighting fixture for the fan fixture.

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Old 08-15-2010, 01:57 PM   #2
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Short answer is no, breakers should always be off before doing electrical work.

Long answer depends if this is a new install or a swap out. If your just swapping an old fan out for a new one, turning the switches off will be a safe option.

If you need to run new wires for this I would not recommend doing this live, find a way to get access to the breakers.

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Here if you are renting the Apt you are not supposed to do any electric work
Landlord is reponsible for hiring someone
If you do the work you are liable if anything goes wrong
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The wires are there, just swapping out the lighting fixture for the fan fixture.
Shutting off the switch may or may not be just as effective as shutting off the breaker, it depends on how the circuit was wired. Without knowledge of this, you might be getting yourself into a sticky situation.

Further, you will most likely have to upgrade the ceiling box to a fan rated box. You can't just hang a fan from a fixture box.
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I can't read Yoyizit. He seems very smart and he is certainly very nice. but sometimes he adds "2 plus 2" and comes up with "Zebra".
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I think the most viable solution here is for jadoiron to speak to his/her landlord and explain the situation and first seek permission to even have a fan, then request it installed by a professional (possibly at the OP's expense). No liability issues to deal with, no potential danger to be concerned with, and no fear of an eviction notice looming in the future. It's a win-win for all, unless the landlord says no.

One thing you'd not want to deal with is an angry landlord. "Tinkering" with his house wiring could make him angry. Angry enough to ask you to leave the premises, and/or void/terminate your lease agreement (if you have one).

But I do have one question... how high is the ceiling in the basement? Can it safely accommodate a ceiling fan at all?
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I would ask to get access to the panel after asking permission to do this work. Once the panel is located and proper breaker shut off, add a lock so it can't be turned on, since it sounds like it's not a private box and maybe someone else could potentially have access to it. Then do the work, and then go turn on the breaker.

They key here is getting the permission first. Better safe then sorry.
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I think the fact that the OP asked the question would suggest he is not qualified for such action. I would also never recommend a switch be used, have worked on to many K&t, and diy circuits with switched neutral. I started out working on live circuits when I was in the Navy due to necessity and with proper equipment but I don't recommend it to anyone who has to ask.
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If you want to play word games, either PM me or join me on some forum run by Sophists and/or Spin Doctors.
The issue here is that I am not playing word games, I am trying to have an open, honest discussion.

You, on the other hand, have been linking to wikipedia and expecting people to know what you're talking about. For some strange reason you are refusing to have a discussion, your posts are borderline trolling.

If you don't want to participate, then that's fine. But there is no reason to act the way you have been.
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