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jdtox 05-02-2012 09:16 AM

Installing basement recessed lighting
 
Finishing basement and have a few questions...

1. Have already bought recessed cans. Commercial Electric brand. I have now read a few places that these are junk. Why exactly and should I return them? Need to know know before I paint them black.

2. I plan on installing 12 lights on new 15A circuit using 2 switches one for left side of basement one for right (6 x 6). This is OK yes? Both switches will be in same box. And will be only thing on this new circuit.

3. Assuming I am running hot lead from main panel to switch box...there is no fancy wiring that needs to be done correct? 14/2 black to black, white to white except at switch correct?

andrew79 05-02-2012 03:19 PM

wiring sounds good. Wondering why your going to paint the cans though. The amount of heat generated will likely just melt it and make your basement stink or start a fire. Probably not a great idea.

Jim Port 05-02-2012 03:51 PM

The black will absorb a lot of the light given off by the bulb and result in a darker than planned area.

Evstarr 05-02-2012 04:14 PM

Just use a black baffle trim. I would NOT paint the cans

Jim Port 05-02-2012 05:39 PM

Black baffle trims make a light colored ceiling look like swiss cheese.

jdtox 05-02-2012 06:25 PM

I am painting the outside of the cans black because the basement ceiling is going to be painted black. I don't want shiny metal cans to stick out like a sore thumb in an otherwise black ceiling.

Evstarr 05-02-2012 06:32 PM

Isn't that what the recessed part of recessed lighting is supposed to address? :confused

jdtox 05-03-2012 07:47 AM

Ok my basement has only joists above, there will be no ceiling tiles installed and no drywall. I am leaving the ceiling "as is" however I will be spraying it flat black. Including all ductwork, pipes, wires, etc. I'm sure you have seen this at your local bar or pub.

I have seen this done before in basements and it looks fantastic, plus I will not have to lower my ceiling and I will still have access to everything.

Yes the lights will be up in between the rafters, but I don't want to see that bare metal look at all. If lights are installed they will get the black treatment anyways, so I figure I spray them first. I bought Heat Resistant BBQ paint in flat black to match.

MLMIB 05-03-2012 05:13 PM

can we get a picture when you're done? be interested to see how it looks.

Also, if it is all exposed the wiring isn't allowed to be NM wire, so there is something "fancy" that needs to be done. (I believe metal wrapped electrical wire is good, I forget the technical term and someone far more knowledgeable than I will be along to give you the deep technical answer shortly)

Jim Port 05-03-2012 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MLMIB (Post 913782)
can we get a picture when you're done? be interested to see how it looks.

Also, if it is all exposed the wiring isn't allowed to be NM wire, so there is something "fancy" that needs to be done. (I believe metal wrapped electrical wire is good, I forget the technical term and someone far more knowledgeable than I will be along to give you the deep technical answer shortly)

Can you cite the code requirement?

This is from Article 334. There are also more sections that apply.

(A) Type NM. Type NM cable shall be permitted as follows:
(1) For both exposed and concealed work in normally dry
locations except as prohibited in 334.10(3)

MLMIB 05-03-2012 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Port

Can you cite the code requirement?

This is from Article 334. There are also more sections that apply.

(A) Type NM. Type NM cable shall be permitted as follows:
(1) For both exposed and concealed work in normally dry
locations except as prohibited in 334.10(3)

I thought basements were usually considered damp? I could be wrong, certainly open to that too.

Evstarr 05-03-2012 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdtox
Ok my basement has only joists above, there will be no ceiling tiles installed and no drywall...
...I'm sure you have seen this at your local bar or pub...
...up in between the rafters .... I bought Heat Resistant BBQ paint in flat black to match.

Ahh!!! Now I get it!
Probably have not seen too many recessed cans at the pub like that. They seem to prefer track heads.
Not that I often remember nights in the pub. I mean not that I often go to the pub. Lol

The BBQ paint should hold but clean the cans off well. Halo and Juno back in the day used to ship the darn things with a light oily coating on them.

Maybe don't paint the thermal cutout switches on them if external.

andrew79 05-03-2012 08:35 PM

ahh i get it now too, cool idea and good call on the bbq paint. I'd be interested to see the finished product as well. And on a side note it still allows you ceiling access for the future :)

johnzenobia 05-06-2012 09:44 AM

Why not just install a metal j type box and spend the extra money on the new LED lights. I just installed them in a new kitchen and you don't need a whole recessed housing. Also led's don't pull hardly any current and don't get hot. Just a tip. Good luck


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