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Old 07-18-2012, 10:56 PM   #1
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I've been searching and reading for a while tonight and can't be sure I've got it right so I want to show pictures of my situation to you guys and be 100% on this. That said. I currently have a switched outlet and would like to run 14/3 (fan/light seperate)to a new ceiling fan and keep the outlet hot at all times.

1. It looks to me like power goes into the switch first then down to the outlet, is that the case here?

2. Should I run my new wire down to the switch to hook everything up there? Then re-wire the outlet with both the white and blacks rather than jst the whites and ground it has now?

First picture is of the switch wires and second is the outlet. Not sure if I've asked all the right questions or given all the right info. Let me know if theres anything I let out or info you need to help solve this little problem of mine.

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I can't see the back of the devices or what joints are made in the back of the boxes. More pictures from different angles will help. At the plug are the two whites on the silver screws and the red on the gold side? If the whites at the plug are both on the silver screw side and the entire plug is switched then this is what you do. If not need more pictures.

The red wire is the switchleg and the black is always hot. To keep it simple because it looks like there's multiple conductors in each box you take the red off the switch and put it under the wirenut with the blacks. There should be neutral wires wirenutted together in the back of the switch box. Your new cable for your light will tie into the side of the switch you took the red off of and the neutral at the switch box. If you plan on only having one switch run the fan and light then 14/2 is all you need. If your installing a second switch for the fan then you would tie the white into the neutral wirenut of your new 14/3 and run the red to a switch and the black to a switch. Bringing the feeds for both switches off the current wirenutted black.

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going to take more pictures now...be right back

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At the outlet the two white wires are attached on the same side and the black are twisted and nutted together
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:50 PM   #5
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will the new duel switch go where the existing switch is?? im guessing yes.
maybe a dumb question, but wanna make sure

im not liking the looks of this "wire job". it might be a good idea to identify all the wires first.
find which is your hot from the panel(this should be self explanatory) and confirm this to eliminate any doubts.

hot obviously goes to the switch first. twist together the feeder wire(appears to be the red one) with the hot supply, and a pigtail for the switch.
you should only have one wire going to the +Line in on the switch.
Neutrals should be twisted together at switch box. no neutrals on the switch.

the new duel control switch will have separate terminals for the light and the fan motor.
Black on one terminal to the Black on light fixture, and Red on the other terminal to the Fan Motor(probably blue).

now you should have continuous hot to the outlet and switch, new 14/3 with red and black on separate terminals,Neutrals twisted together, and grounds twisted together.
metal gang boxes must also be connected to the ground wire. plastic boxes are not.(yours appear to be plastic)

IMO using the "push in" holes are not the best idea. they dont always give a solid connection, and less metal contact.
Use the side terminals instead

Hope this explanation was not confusing. sometimes it's just easier to do than explain:D

in the new pics it's still hard to tell which black wire comes from the panel.
it looks like you have a pair of blacks nutted together at the outlet as well as the switch...
although it's not brilliant to run hot to an outlet gang, then up to the switch, and back down to the outlet. you never know.

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The switch has the blacks twisted together then about a 1/2 inch to and inch has been striped off and wrapped around one screw on the switch the whites are twisted and nutted together and the red hooked up to the back.
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will the new duel switch go where the existing switch is?? im guessing yes.
maybe a dumb question, but wanna make sure
Yes it will be
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The switch has the blacks twisted together then about a 1/2 inch to and inch has been striped off and wrapped around one screw on the switch the whites are twisted and nutted together and the red hooked up to the back.

Wow... all i can say is Wow:p

i still think you need to identify which black comes from the panel... it could be at the outlet
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Ok so you take the black off the existing switch and take it out of the wirenut. Cut the wire back and run it straight into the wirenut and bring two pigtails out(one for each switch). The red currently on the switch goes into this joint as well. The white from the new light gets tied in with the whites in the box and the red and black from the new light go to their respective switches. The plug stays the same although you may want to remove the backstab connections and use the screws.
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Just want to make sure I have this right so I can tackle in the am...

I'll take the red off the switch and twist it with the hot (black) wires and pigtail it to the new double switch.

The new 14/3 coming in to the switch box will have the red for say the light black for the fan going to the switch and the (white) neutral to the other two (white neutrals that are already nutted together.

At the outlet I'll do nothing but take the wires out of the back and re-install them in the same locations but on the screws?

Sound right?
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Wow... all i can say is Wow:p

i still think you need to identify which black comes from the panel... it could be at the outlet
If he wires it like I told him it doesn't matter where its fed from.
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Just want to make sure I have this right o I can takle in the am...

I'll take the red off the switch and twist it with the hot (black) wires and pigtail it to the new double switch.

The new 14/3 coming in to the switch box will have the red for say the light black for the fan going to the switch and the (white) neutral to the other two (white neutrals that are already nutted together.

At the outlet I'll do nothing but take the wires out of the back and re-install them in the same locations but on the screws?

Sound right?
Yup but don't forget to cut back the current black on the switch and hook that back into same wirenut but bypassing the switch.
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I bought the house wired like this...I dont know if someone has changed the original wiring or not? I know its not the same as when I added a fan in my bedroom or the other bedroom. Thats why I'm here guys.

Thank you for all your input. Its greatly appreciated.
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Ok so you take the black off the existing switch and take it out of the wirenut. Cut the wire back and run it straight into the wirenut and bring two pigtails out(one for each switch). The red currently on the switch goes into this joint as well. The white from the new light gets tied in with the whites in the box and the red and black from the new light go to their respective switches. The plug stays the same although you may want to remove the backstab connections and use the screws.
Two pigtails? Or one? I planned on using a dual switch in the single box.
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Two pigtails? Or one? I planned on using a dual switch in the single box.
Ahhh sorry. One will do.

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