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Old 01-03-2012, 01:21 PM   #1
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Hi All,
New to this forum. Looking for advice on whether I have made big mistake. Installing LED undercabinet lighting in kitchen. Installed a switched outlet off of a under utilized outlet circuit. I installed the box for the switch right next to the existing outlet which I had tapped into. Everything went fine except when I went to install the faceplate and realized that 2 gang does not mean 2 boxes next to each other. So now there is 3/8 inch mis match to fit the plate over both the outlet and the switch.
Is this major mistake? Any options for non-standard faceplate dimensions?
Thank you for any help.

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The bigger mistake is adding the lighting to the small appliance branch circuit. This is prohibited be the electrical code.

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The bigger mistake is adding the lighting to the small appliance branch circuit. This is prohibited be the electrical code.
Yes a violation but here is what I would do take both boxes out put in a double gang box and then try to find a big plate to hopefully cover the extra space.
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So covering up a big hole allows the poster to ignore the code issue?
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lets try it again WHAT YOUR ABOUT TO DO IS AGAINST CODE......
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Thanks for feedback. Sorry for basic question - is code violation because kitchen counter top outlets can not have any lights on them? I am trying to understand code. This is the 3rd circuit for outlets along the counter top. Is code to have 2 with no lighting? This third circuit has refrigerator outlet and one other unused outlet. Fridge is 6.5A full load and LED lighting will be less than 1A so I don't think a load problem but I do not want to violate code. There is an outlet on another circuit out of kitchen on the other side of the wall which I think I could tie into.
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Thanks for feedback. Sorry for basic question - is code violation because kitchen counter top outlets can not have any lights on them?
Yes nothing but receptacles even it there are more circuits than required by code. Still I wouldn't worry because it's not dangerous or anything.
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The work around is a switched outlet, plugging the under cabinet lighting into it. I usually run an outlet into a cabinet that is switched and use it for the lighting. Perfectly legal and to code.
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The work around is a switched outlet, plugging the under cabinet lighting into it. I usually run an outlet into a cabinet that is switched and use it for the lighting. Perfectly legal and to code.
If the receptacles did not serve the countertop this would be an option. It sounds to me the OP has tapped a circuit serving the countertop and it still would be prohibited.

OP, here is the code:

(B) Small Appliances.

(1) Receptacle Outlets Served.
In the kitchen, pantry, breakfast room, dining room, or
similar area of a dwellingunit, the two or more 20-ampere
small-appliance branchcircuits required by 210.11(C)(1) shall
serve all wall and floor receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A),
all countertop outlets covered by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for
refrigeration equipment.


Exception No. 1: In addition to the required receptacles

specified by 210.52, switched receptacles supplied from a

general-purpose branch circuit as defined in 210.70(A)(1),

Exception No. 1, shall be permitted.


Exception No. 2: The receptacle outlet for refrigeration


equipment shall be permitted to be supplied from an individual

branch circuit rated 15 amperes or greater.
(2) No Other Outlets.


The two or more small-appliance
branch circuits specified in 210.52(B)(1) shall have no other outlets.

Exception No. 1: A receptacle installed solely for the electrical

supply to and support of an electric clock in any of


the rooms specified in 210.52(B)(1).





Exception No. 2: Receptacles installed to provide power

for supplemental equipment and lighting on gas-fired ranges,
ovens, or counter-mounted cooking units.


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If the receptacles did not serve the countertop this would be an option. It sounds to me the OP has tapped a circuit serving the countertop and it still would be prohibited.

OP, here is the code:

(B) Small Appliances.
(1) Receptacle Outlets Served.
In the kitchen, pantry,
breakfast room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling
unit, the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch
circuits required by 210.11(C)(1) shall serve all wall and

fl
oor receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A), all countertop
outlets covered by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for
refrigeration equipment.
[ROP 2206]

Exception No. 1: In addition to the required receptacles
speci
fied by 210.52, switched receptacles supplied from a
general-purpose branch circuit as de
fined in 210.70(A)(1),

Exception No. 1, shall be permitted.

Exception No. 2: The receptacle outlet for refrigeration
equipment shall be permitted to be supplied from an individual
branch circuit rated 15 amperes or greater.
(2) No Other Outlets.
The two or more small-appliance
branch circuits speci
fied in 210.52(B)(1) shall have no
other outlets.

Exception No. 1: A receptacle installed solely for the electrical
supply to and support of an electric clock in any of
the rooms speci
fied in 210.52(B)(1).
Exception No. 2: Receptacles installed to provide power
for supplemental equipment and lighting on gas-
fired

ranges, ovens, or counter-mounted cooking units.
Sorry, I wasn't specific enough. Forget I am not on CT. You would need a circuit that is not servicing the counter top. Thanks Jim!

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