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Old 08-15-2012, 06:22 PM   #46
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Errr what's the right side of the panel supported with?
Here is the bottom. Top right is only loose but the whole structure is rock solid.

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Old 08-15-2012, 07:21 PM   #47
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Inspector may not pass that.
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Inspector may not pass that.
Why not? He'll just take the inspector aside and tell him that he knows nothing and can't tell him what to do because of his "superior" intellect and the inspector, while bowing to his greatness , will gladly sign off on that "creative" deisgn.....right?
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I know why you hate me: because the more people like me, the less business for you...
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I know why you hate me: because the more people like me, the less business for you...
Actually, I don't think that is the reason at all.
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I know why you hate me: because the more people like me, the less business for you...

Actually if you mean arrogant, obnoxious and self rightous...then you nailed it.
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Actually, I don't think that is the reason at all.
Quite the opposite, I'd say. If anything, "creative" people's electrical work often provides substantial amounts of work for real electricians down the road.
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Y'all are haters. I have rewired 80% of my house and never got a fire. You all just make hateful judgements from your 10K ft view cause you have a pathological need to belittle others and make yourself look better. There are some decent folk on this forum who have concrete answers but some of you are douches...

Haters will hate, my project will go on as planned.
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Y'all are haters. I have rewired 80% of my house and never got a fire. You all just make hateful judgements from your 10K ft view cause you have a pathological need to belittle others and make yourself look better. There are some decent folk on this forum who have concrete answers but some of you are douches...

Haters will hate, my project will go on as planned.

Look in the mirror buddy....it's you that's spewing hate. You asked for our opinions, we gave them. Because it doesn't agree with your mindset, you call us haters. Grow up. Good luck with your project. Good luck convincing the inspector that you know what you are doing. Next time you ask for advice be prepared to listen to it...you smug little
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He's not getting an inspection. I doubt there's permits involved either. I figured that out a long time ago.
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I have rewired 80% of my house and never got a fire.
Ok but that really isn't the standard to measure to. Just this side of having a fire isn't a comforting statement.

This "creative panel install" really isn't my cup of tea but to each his own. The issue really is are you paying equal attention to code compliance as you are to your "creativity". Did you get a permit and will you have it inspected? Since this being an income suite you should for the safety of your future tenants. Also you have now well documented this project on the WWW through these postings so you wouldn't want this to come back against you should something bad happen. Not only your insurance company may fail to pay out a claim but your tenants could sue you for illegal electrical work.

It sounds like you need to splice in a short length of cable to each every branch circuit to make it reach the new panel and it's further distance. In the world of reliability that is three new wire nuts per circuit and three new opportunities for failure per circuit. At a full forty branch circuits that is 120 wire nuts and 120 new failure opportunities. That raises your risk threshold, not lowers it. Further you seem to be putting a lot of splices into many junction boxes under the lower shelf. Are you aware of box fill limits and are you complying with them? I suspect it will be a rats nest of wiring under the shelf as well. How can you organize the wiring to be neat and manageable without raising heating issues of putting cables too close together? If you wire tie them together you'll need to derate the conductors.

The NEC is about safety. It is very difficult to follow for non trades people as it isn't written for the layman. It is written to be precise and as unambiguous as possible. That said if you aren't an electrician doing something as major as a 40 slot 200A sub panel isn't for the beginner. Are you aware of neutral bonding issues for this location? What is your grounding scheme for the sub panel? By changing the panel do all the branch circuits need to be made current code compliant and are you planning to do so ( gfci, afci, kitchen counter plugs, TR outlets, laundry outlets,.....)? Just some of the many questions you need to ask yourself.

You're clearly moving forward with this. Just get it inspected so you can have a clear conscience that it is a safe as it is creative.

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