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Old 08-08-2012, 11:21 PM   #31
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my main inquiry is in regards to 1. safety and 2. code compliance. also don't worry about what i can or cannot do in my municipality -- i know that very well and discussing it here would be beyond unnecessary
And those two items never go hand and hand...

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And those two items never go hand and hand...
so i'm not gonna discuss it with you. if you find that objectionable, i advise not wasting time trying to lecture me. i will get my questions answered by someone else, i assure you of that.

just as a BTW, in my 5.5 yrs of amateur electrical work, i have never made a mistake that was not immediately discovered in the routine test followed by project completion and i have never had an electrical nor any other form of fire. i have rewired about 80% of the house's electrical.

i will get my questions answered by honest folk with sincere intentions. you seem like an idle code nazi little bureaucrat. i don't like you

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Old 08-09-2012, 12:27 AM   #33
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Why did you post this? You seem to be more motivated to get into some flowery superficial design debate where you have predetermined the answer.

To suggest a higher calling by introducing a form over function aesthetic for an electrical panel is just plain silly no matter how hard you try to suggest otherwise. I'd fire an architect who wasted time on such nonsense.
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Why did you post this?
like i said before, i posted to pick people's brains on the safety/code-compliance implications of this.

why is this web site so full of creativity-hating code fascists who can't stand those who can think out of the box to solve problems in an hour they have to toil half a year to tackle using their proven, standard methods?
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:02 AM   #35
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like i said before, i posted to pick people's brains on the safety/code-compliance implications of this.

why is this web site so full of creativity-hating code fascists who can't stand those who can think out of the box to solve problems in an hour they have to toil half a year to tackle using their proven, standard methods?
Creativity is great. But code is law. You can do both but not creativity without the code.

I have a sneaky suspicion that this job isn't going to be inspected. Just keep in mind the plexiglass you plan on putting over the panel cover will have to be removable.
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This web site is filled with people who, for free mind you, are willing to give away the knowledge gained over decades of professional experience.

What you interpret as them attempting to stifle your creativity is in reality them trying to give you tried and true SAFE solutions to your issue.

If someone here tries to pin down your wall to a descriptor of knee wall it's because the inspector will need to identify it as some already understood construction detail in order to cite the relevant code section before he allows or disallows the usage. Whether you like it or not, the AHJ will not be interested in your creative solution unless they can assign it to a category in the codes that allow you to do it.

These people also have to contend with the fact that not one of them has seen this job as you have and have only their combined experience with inspectors all over the country to go by when offering any advice.

They will often try to guide you to traditional solutions because traditional solutions stand the best chance of getting passed without long and costly changes demanded by an inspector who, frankly, neither has the time or skill and experience to evaluate a solution that is not expressly defined in code.

AND they are highly unlikely to offer to spend their time on argumentative posters. You came here looking for their freely given advice. If you disagree with the advice given, that's your prerogative. If you have questions by all means ask them - politely and without sarcasm or insults.

Your frustration and demeaning toss-offs about lack of creativity of the members here will not earn you better assistance and are quite insulting. Code documents are rarely creative because government workers must interpret and enforce them. They are black and white for a reason. To keep the public safe and alive. Not to make every sub panel install appear a though it should hang in a gallery.

Address your attitude of superiority and entitlement and see if you don't have a better conversational experience here.

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OK, that's great. so, to summarize without the need for pontification from the moral high grounds: there is no concrete safety concerns implied by this design, which was my very specific realm of inquiry, since no one pointed one and supported the concern using physics or another exact discipline.

as far as the emotional turmoil of this thread, i apologize if my proclivity to think outside the box and challenge established routines offended anyone... but that's how i roll. to each their own.

thanks to all who contributed useful and technical feedback
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Just keep in mind that an inspector is going to want the panel mains at eye level preferably. With easy access and a 3 foot working room from the front face. So your plexiglass shelf might not fly with him/her.
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Just keep in mind that an inspector is going to want the panel mains at eye level preferably.
there is no height requirement for a main panel. he can't make up his own whimsical rules out of his personal preferences that have no base in the code, just because.

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With easy access and a 3 foot working room from the front face.
what do you mean by that?
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there is no height requirement for a main panel. he can't make up his own whimsical rules out of his personal preferences that have no base in the code, just because
Make sure you point that out to the AHJ...ok?
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Make sure you point that out to the AHJ...ok?
of course, there are subtler ways to point it out than what i said but the bottom line is that he should not (be allowed to) act like a petty dictator making up his own rules outside the code book. just to flex his muscle. look, as a municipal employee, or contractor as it can sometimes be the case in my municipality, he is your servant and a servant of the community. you should not allow him or similar supposed-to-be public servants to bully you and overstep their authority.

you are not govt property. you live in Missouri, not North Korea...
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yeah....make sure you tell him that too! Have you ever dealt with a AHJ or building or electrical inspector before?
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there is no height requirement for a main panel. he can't make up his own whimsical rules out of his personal preferences that have no base in the code, just because.

what do you mean by that?
Lol but he can and don't be surprised.

Not saying its right... But it's reality.
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Errr what's the right side of the panel supported with?

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