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Old 08-08-2012, 07:51 PM   #16
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Honestly, I think it a dumb place for a panel. You are building an architechural wall that is probably going to be a focal point in that room. All anyone is going to notice is that ugly panel.

I'll go with the saying, it looks good from my house.

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because the basement is the other apartment ... DUH
And of course we were all aware of this information... DUH....
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So you have an historic ceiling that you don't want to touch. Fur out the wall and put the panel on an outside wall. And any junction boxes you install must be accessable without removing any structure. Maybe some real pictures would help illustrate what you are working with.
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And any junction boxes you install must be accessable without removing any structure.
The lid on top of the box between the nose wall and the corner should not be considered "structure"
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The lid on top of the box between the nose wall and the corner should not be considered "structure"
If it is nailed down it is.
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Ive never head of that being frowned upon....
You aren't frowning when you look at that drawing??
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If it is nailed down it is.
who nails lids? and why would you nail it if gravity keeps it in place it's supposed to be covering?
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You aren't frowning when you look at that drawing??
i don't know how you do things over in the state of Misery but where i come from we try to be innovative and not just spin proven concepts like an old LP
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i don't know how you do things over in the state of Misery but where i come from we try to be innovative and not just spin proven concepts like an old LP
It's unlikely the inspector will allow you to mount a panel on a shelving unit. It's Missouri, rather than the state of confusion you seem to be in.
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It's unlikely the inspector will allow you to mount a panel on a shelving unit.
it's not "a shelving unit" -- it is supposed to be a structural piece of framing built with either 2x4 or 2x6, whichever is deep enough to recess a panel box.

anchored in the wall with epoxy and screwed into the floor and all that...

now if you can mount a shelf on the other side doesn't mean it has the firmness of a shelving unit. just because i can fit a baby seat in the back seat doesn't make an F150 a baby stroller

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who nails lids? and why would you nail it if gravity keeps it in place it's supposed to be covering?
Yeah, we don't nail down sub floors either. Most people I know would have that lid nailed down.

I have no clue why you are coming here asking a question, then acting so high and mighty when you don't like a response to YOUR question.
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I kind of like the shelves. I'm sure he needs someplace to put his bong collection.

Serious question. Would the studs have to be fire treated? If they were touching the panel they would here(although rules on backing seem to change with every code so I could be on an off year).
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Yeah, we don't nail down sub floors either. Most people I know would have that lid nailed down.
do you nail shelves to support rails? you walk on a subfloor and it will make noise if it ain't properly fastened. you don't need to do the same with shelves and lids cause it's an overkill. the difference between the two is called nuances.

i get my time's worth picking people's brains. sadly, while licensed pros can mostly answer *VERY SPECIFICALLY STATED** questions, the problem with most of them is that they are terribly black-and-white thinkers and terribly arrested in their frame of habits and comfort zone. that's not very good when innovation is at hand and one must creatively solve problems unlike it's ever been done before. i still love you guys but you are rigid and this observation borderlines a fact. it is partially for that reason that i chose to to do most of my things myself.
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In my line of work I see creative ways to hide all kinds of stuff. It's just that having a big grey panel cover in the middle of a room is sort of ugly lol. Painting it won't help. I would suggest putting some sort of millwork on that wall with a removable piece in the center to allow access to the panel.

Also as said in the other post double check about who can wire it. Most places won't allow a landlord to do their own work.
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In my line of work I see creative ways to hide all kinds of stuff. It's just that having a big grey panel cover in the middle of a room is sort of ugly lol. Painting it won't help. I would suggest putting some sort of millwork on that wall with a removable piece in the center to allow access to the panel.
don't worry about the aesthetics. i can take care of that without putting together an elaborate and representative graphic rendering. e.g. cut-to-order dark plexiglass that will look rather cool and you can put stuff on top.

my main inquiry is in regards to 1. safety and 2. code compliance. also don't worry about what i can or cannot do in my municipality -- i know that very well and discussing it here would be beyond unnecessary

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