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Old 03-08-2010, 09:41 AM   #1
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I have an embarrassing question about remodel gang box


I am replacing two wall outlets. The original owner of the house did some remodeling and the metal boxes are loose. Therefore the outlet pushes back into the wall.

I am replacing the outlets with plastic remodel gang boxes.

Here's my dumb question. How does the wire lock into the box? Normally with a metal box you would place a connector and tighten to hold the wire in place as it enters the box. How does it work with the Carlon plastic remodel box? Does the tab stay in place and hold the wire in place?

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A remodel box will have a clamping means built into the box.

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Old 03-08-2010, 09:49 AM   #3
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Does the tab stay in place and hold the wire in place?
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Thanks guys. The two outlets have been driving me nuts for months!
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opps... i broke the tabs of my boxes off.... is that bad? The "new construction" box that was nailed to the 2x4 didn't have any retention system.
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You broke which tabs, the blue ones on your remodel boxes?
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Here is a sort of answer, sort of question.

Here is the answer part: plastic boxes don't require a clamp where the wire comes into the box for NM cable, so long as the cable is stapled to the framing member within a certain distance from the box; I think it is about six inches or so. I have to check the code for the exact distance.

Here is my question. If plastic boxes don't require clamps, why do some boxes have that little flap/clamp molded into the box? Is that just for added extra security, or are there instances where that would actually be needed? Is it there on "old work" boxes because it is assumed that the cable won't be fastened to the framing member within the required distance to make a clamp not necessary? I never really thought about this until I saw the original poster's question.
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I only use Arlington one boxes anymore for old work. They attach to the stud with 2 screws,giving you a solid installation for receptacles.

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Are you sure plastic boxes don't require clamps? The edges of plastic knockout holes are pretty sharp.
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Single-gang non-metallic boxes do not require clamps when the cable is secured within 8 inches from entering the box.

"Old-work" boxes have integral clamps, since stapling or securing the cables inside of a finished wall is impractical.

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