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geomac 10-10-2012 04:43 PM

How horrifying is this?
 
I live in an old farm house; and may have to explain to the home owner, about why I tore out the flood lights!

We have an old shed out back with a light, switched from the main house. The power is fed from the main house, to an out building, and goes from there, to the shed via a 10-2 spliced to a 12-2. That wire, in a 4" j-box, with 7 other wires, connects to a 14-3. The black leg runs to a switch and power returns on the red leg to 2 inside lights. The flood light is jumped from the switch and power retuns on the white leg of the 14-3. The wht leg is married in the 4" box to a 12-2 uf wire that runs to the house. The hot switched neutral returns and connects to the rest of the neutrals!

AllanJ 10-10-2012 05:55 PM

I got lost. Could you draw a diagram?

ddawg16 10-10-2012 07:24 PM

Is this a trick question? Because, if it's an old farmhouse......well....it's an old farmhouse....I doubt the plumbing is much better.

andrew79 10-10-2012 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by geomac (Post 1028257)
I live in an old farm house; and may have to explain to the home owner, about why I tore out the flood lights!

We have an old shed out back with a light, switched from the main house. The power is fed from the main house, to an out building, and goes from there, to the shed via a 10-2 spliced to a 12-2. That wire, in a 4" j-box, with 7 other wires, connects to a 14-3. The black leg runs to a switch and power returns on the red leg to 2 inside lights. The flood light is jumped from the switch and power retuns on the white leg of the 14-3. The wht leg is married in the 4" box to a 12-2 uf wire that runs to the house. The hot switched neutral returns and connects to the rest of the neutrals!

if the hot neutral was connected to the rest of the neutrals you would have a dead short and the breaker would blow.

Gac66610 10-10-2012 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by geomac (Post 1028257)
I live in an old farm house; and may have to explain to the home owner, about why I tore out the flood lights!

We have an old shed out back with a light, switched from the main house. The power is fed from the main house, to an out building, and goes from there, to the shed via a 10-2 spliced to a 12-2. That wire, in a 4" j-box, with 7 other wires, connects to a 14-3. The black leg runs to a switch and power returns on the red leg to 2 inside lights. The flood light is jumped from the switch and power retuns on the white leg of the 14-3. The wht leg is married in the 4" box to a 12-2 uf wire that runs to the house. The hot switched neutral returns and connects to the rest of the neutrals!

Did it work?

geomac 10-10-2012 08:55 PM

thanks! forum won't let me post replies...
 
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Dan101 10-10-2012 09:03 PM

Keyword here which you used several times is OLD. I have seen some real confusing wiring in old homes. Not sure the homeowner is really gonna appreciate the fact that you tore out his floodlights. He may even be the one that wired them. Sounds like it was working and the wires may not be marked correctly. I would suggest marking the wires and looking at it again because it would have caused a dead short if actually wired the way you describe.

rjniles 10-10-2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by geomac (Post 1028464)
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Real intelligent comment. NOT

And you expect help?

ddawg16 10-10-2012 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rjniles (Post 1028475)
Real intelligent comment. NOT

And you expect help?

Well....in all honesty, mine was no better.....but then again, not sure what the question was....if there was a question.

Daniel Holzman 10-10-2012 09:56 PM

The question was, "how horrifying is this?". The answer is, apparently, not very. After spending six months inspecting homes destroyed or nearly destroyed by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita on the Gulf Coast, and observing every possible manner of framing errors, electrical errors, plumbing problems, foundation issues, roofing problems etc. in the remains, I can't get too worked up about bizarre wiring in an old farmhouse. The owner, on the other hand, might get worked up over a tenant taking out his floodlights....

Gac66610 10-10-2012 11:04 PM

I once did a rewire for a friend who had just bought a house.
In the basement I found a complete loop through 4 j boxes.
It worked fine, but he wanted it rewired, so I opened the main and started cutting.
This is the reason for my question, a simple answer would be 'yes' or 'no'.
horrifying? .. not really ... as long as it works, no telling how many hands have help wire the farm house.

Maybe Geo can enlighten us on how a "farmers 3-way" works.

jbfan 10-10-2012 11:04 PM

With you living in the old house that you do not own, I'm sure you violated some rule by doing electrical work.

kevinp22 10-11-2012 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Gac66610 (Post 1028564)
It worked fine, but he wanted it rewired, so I opened the main and started cutting.
.

reminds me of the scene in air force one when harrison ford needs to cut either the red, white, blue or green wire but cutting the wrong one will crash the plane. so he says come on red, white and blue and cuts the green one. whew the engines are still on.

:laughing::laughing:

Gac66610 10-11-2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kevinp22 (Post 1028610)
reminds me of the scene in air force one when harrison ford needs to cut either the red, white, blue or green wire but cutting the wrong one will crash the plane. so he says come on red, white and blue and cuts the green one. whew the engines are still on.

:laughing::laughing:

Never thought of it, but you're right :laughing:

dmxtothemax 10-11-2012 06:01 AM

If you really think it is unsafe ?
Then throw the breaker on that circuit,
Then ask the owner to get it done safely !
But you really should NOT be doing electrical work
in someone else's place .
two wrongs dont make a right !


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