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icontractor82 03-24-2012 07:40 PM

How to ground a weather station
 
Hi folks

I really need some help here. I'm installing a weather station for a local elementary school on my roof that the kids will be able to access over the Internet. Becuase I'm paying for this out of my pocket my budget is very limited and evey electrician I talk to wants to charge me an arm and leg.

I have a weatherhawk weather station that I'll be mounting on my home roof but it's asking to earth ground the station. What is the best practice for grounding it?

Your help is very much appreciated

oh'mike 03-24-2012 08:12 PM

An electrician or radio guru will be right along----In the mean time--Is there a link to the product and a spec sheet available?

That would help an electrician figure out the best and simples way to DIY that---Mike----

wareagle 03-24-2012 08:17 PM

Depending on were you live, Eg. Florida has a very high incident of lighting, you may not. I would try to mount it on a pole away from your house and then ground it according to the local rules. If you need further information you can find it on Google. What does the weather station consist of?

icontractor82 03-24-2012 08:23 PM

Hi guys

The weather station I have is the following

http://weatherhawk.com/s240w

It is on a 4 foot metal pole. Becuase of obstacles I have to mount this on my roof. The manual says to consult with an electrical on proper grounding. It gives no information on how to ground it. I've been told that I can run an 10 awg wire to my water meter. Can this be done?

gregzoll 03-24-2012 08:41 PM

Forget about google, only way that you will find out, is either contact your local NOAA office, the Coast Guard, which can explain better to you on proper installation. To make things easy, do not ground to your water meter, since it violates the proper method of guarding against possible electrocution, or travel of electrical charge to the house.

The proper info is contained in the NEC, and also your local code office can tell you the proper method for your area in grounding to Earth Ground. What is earth ground, it is a ground rod, Ufer type ground.

icontractor82 03-24-2012 10:02 PM

Well I know that my electrical panel and house electricity is grounded to my water meter but it's inside my home. Do I still need to ground this to a grounding rod or is there another way...

frenchelectrican 03-24-2012 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by icontractor82 (Post 884779)
Well I know that my electrical panel and house electricity is grounded to my water meter but it's inside my home. Do I still need to ground this to a grounding rod or is there another way...

Most case it will be direct to your ground rod and #10 is IMO is too small in most case so #6 will handle it but before you do anything run this by electrical inspector or other proper personal with the correct infomation to do this.

Gregzoll have good answer there and do as he mention plus my comment above before you do anything else check with them first to see excatally what the requirement.

Merci,
Marc

mpoulton 03-24-2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by icontractor82 (Post 884779)
Well I know that my electrical panel and house electricity is grounded to my water meter but it's inside my home. Do I still need to ground this to a grounding rod or is there another way...

Grounding for the weather station is for lightning and static protection, rather than protection from faults (bonding). You will not be able to provide adequate grounding to protect against a direct lightning strike. Instead, you will be protecting against nearby strikes and atmospheric charge (St. Elmo's fire, in the extreme). However, it may get struck by lightning. So you want your grounding solution to pose the least hazard in case this happens. A separate ground rod is probably the most reasonable way to achieve this. This is NOT a supplemental grounding electrode for the purposes of your home's electrical system. You CANNOT use it to "ground" anything other than this weather station, and you cannot rely on it to protect you from ground faults or other sources of electric shock. It's only purpose is to drain atmospheric charge from the metal pole on your roof and keep it at close to the same potential as the earth in case of a nearby lightning strike. Make sure all of the electronic equipment that connects to the weather station is properly grounded (NOT to the new ground rod), and preferably has lightning suppression on the lines that run to the rooftop equipment. Following amateur radio practices for lightning protection would be wise. There is a lot of information on the web about amateur radio antenna installation, almost all of which is applicable to your project.

wareagle 03-24-2012 10:24 PM

http://weatherhawk.com/documents/sit...tion-guide.pdf

Page 14 of the installation give you instructions. It will usually involve a down conductor connected to the mast down to a ground rod. The NEC will require that you bond this to your home grounding system. You would be better to get someone knowledgeable to assist you. Check with your local inspection people for assistance.

Ravenworks 03-24-2012 11:44 PM

Are you going to be running a server for this or allow access through your router Via IPsec tunnel?
On air it says it's good for 1/4 mile wow, I didn't realise how much loot these things cost.

mpoulton 03-25-2012 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wareagle (Post 884791)
The NEC will require that you bond this to your home grounding system.

Really? I didn't think lightning protection electrodes were required (or ever intended!) to be bonded to the grounding electrode system. That sounds like a bad idea.

Speedy Petey 03-25-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by icontractor82 (Post 884681)
I really need some help here. I'm installing a weather station for a local elementary school on my roof that the kids will be able to access over the Internet. Becuase I'm paying for this out of my pocket my budget is very limited and evey electrician I talk to wants to charge me a service call fee to come out and do the job properly and safely.

There. I fixed it for you. :whistling2:

Jim Port 03-25-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey (Post 885046)
There. I fixed it for you. :whistling2:

The nerve of those guys charging for their services and knowledge.

oleguy74 03-25-2012 11:37 AM

read art.810.820,250.50.these relate to antennas and masts.altho these art's are for catv and radio,i think they apply to this situation..

wareagle 03-25-2012 01:22 PM

icontractor 82 where are you located?

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Originally Posted by mpoulton (Post 884869)
Really? I didn't think lightning protection electrodes were required (or ever intended!) to be bonded to the grounding electrode system. That sounds like a bad idea.

MP
I tend to agree with you but the reason for the bonding is to prevent "side flashing" or arcing to other parts of the grounding system. This is one
reason I suggested to the OP that he might want to install the device on a pole located away from the house. He would then need only to drive a ground rod and install the conductor from the rod to his weather device.

From a Code standpoint, the NEC has been relatively silent on the Code requirements that relate to lightning protection systems; however, the NEC requirements (Sections 250.60 and 250.106) cover the materials and bonding of the electrode of a power distribution system to the ground terminal of a lightning protection system on the same structure.

Quote"Where a lightning protection system is installed, it must be bonded to the building or structure grounding electrode system as per 250.106. In addition, the grounding electrode for the lightning protection system cannot be used for the building or structure grounding electrode [250.60].
Note: The bonding of the lightning protection system to the buildings or structures electrical system, via the grounding electrode system, is intended to prevent lightning "side flash" or arcing between metal parts, which can result in a fire by minimizing the difference of potential between the lightning protection system and the electrical system
." taken form another site.

MP this is some good information you may want to check out
http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lhm/IEEE_Guide.pdf


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