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luckymen 07-07-2009 07:58 AM

how to find an electrical plug, covered up by a wall
 
I had a contractor put in new drywall on a damaged wall and they covered up the electrical outlet. is there a better tool to use besides a stud finder?

RippySkippy 07-07-2009 08:11 AM

sure is....a telephone. Call the contractor back and have them locate it.

jbfan 07-07-2009 08:19 AM

Use a 2' level and lay it flat on the wall until you find the bulge.

KE2KB 07-07-2009 09:20 AM

Do you have a stud finder that can detect AC?
My Zircon does, and quite well if it's NM rather than MC. I just tested and it will find a receptacle from about 3" through air. That distance would be shorter through drywall, but I would think it would work.

FW

Scuba_Dave 07-07-2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RippySkippy (Post 298337)
sure is....a telephone. Call the contractor back and have them locate it.

2nd That!@! :thumbsup:

theatretch85 07-07-2009 12:18 PM

I'd imagine this contractor hasnt been hanging drywall for very long if he just put sheetrock over an outlet! I would certaintly call him back and have them take care of it, or at least have them pay to have it taken care of.

Michael Thomas 07-07-2009 12:38 PM

I'd try the noncontact electrical tester first, if that doesn't work, and it's an exterior wall, and it's a metal box, and you know someone who has access to IR camera, they can likely spot it at the right time of day.

Here's an example of a 4x4 box drywalled over at the peak of a cathedral ceiling:

http://paragoninspects.com/images/te...etboxir500.jpg

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everyman 07-07-2009 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Thomas (Post 298469)
x4 box drywalled over at the peak of the cathedral ceiling:

That is very cool, no doubt. Would this really work on an interior wall though? I can imagine where loaded wire might be a bit warmer than normal, but unloaded and interior wall? I'd think it would be the same temp as the surrounding material.

The box in the ceiling would have acted like a heat sink for radiant solar energy, just like the spine of the ceiling appears to have done, unless that line is the wire.

jbberns 07-07-2009 04:18 PM

I like to use a hammer. A good swing every 12 inches, high and low. Just in case. :no:

Michael Thomas 07-07-2009 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by everyman (Post 298625)
That is very cool, no doubt. Would this really work on an interior wall though?

Only chance on an interior wall would be if you could produce a 10F or greater difference on the two sides by using heating or AC.

InPhase277 07-07-2009 05:01 PM

Way way back in the day, I did residential punchout for cookie- cutter tract housing. Every house had at least one covered box, often two or three. Granted, if it is to code, you can get in the general area, but really it can vary, especially with the less-than-good, less-than-legal rough crews we had. So, for awhile I located boxes with the level idea, sometimes that doesn't work because our less-than-good roughers didn't always put the box at the right depth. So, poking around the suspected area with an offset swiveling screwdriver would find the box after awhile.

The sheetrockers got to covering over so many boxes at one point, that my boss lost it. He blew his top. He visited me on a job where I was locating my third box, and talked with me a minute, then started kicking holes in the wall until he found the box:laughing:.

He told me I had an option for locating the boxes in the future: I either could cut a large section of wall out, like 3'x3', or I could use his "size 12" method:thumbup:. After a couple of houses locating boxes with my foot, the sheetrockers got real asstute at cutting the boxes out:laughing:

Michael Thomas 07-07-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by everyman (Post 298625)
The box in the ceiling would have acted like a heat sink for radiant solar energy, just like the spine of the ceiling appears to have done, unless that line is the wire.

Actually, what you're seeing there is the warm side of a cold ceiling, the outlet box, ridge board and rafters are better thermal conductors than insulated rafter cavities, so they appear cooler than the rest of the ceiling.

If you look closely you'll see some small dots on each rafter - those are the drywall screw or nail heads, under ideal conditions you can image those as well!

spark plug 07-07-2009 06:16 PM

finding a buried outlet in sheetrock
 
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Originally Posted by theatretch85 (Post 298461)
I'd imagine this contractor hasnt been hanging drywall for very long if he just put sheetrock over an outlet! I would certaintly call him back and have them take care of it, or at least have them pay to have it taken care of.

I had a kitchen installer bury an outlet (intended for the Microwave oven) behind a kitchen cabinet. When the contractor was alerted to it, he said; He'll bet me $1,000.00 that there is no outlet there. I said; Start paying now!:yes::no::drink:Don't Drink and Drive!!!

Scuba_Dave 07-07-2009 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by InPhase277 (Post 298658)
then started kicking holes in the wall until he found the box:laughing:.

He told me I had an option for locating the boxes in the future: I either could cut a large section of wall out, like 3'x3', or I could use his "size 12" method:thumbup:. After a couple of houses locating boxes with my foot, the sheetrockers got real asstute at cutting the boxes out:laughing:

Sounds like ya cured 'em :thumbup:

220/221 07-07-2009 06:26 PM

Use a studfinder to locate the studs.

Determine the height by measuring other existing receps.

Poke a skinny screwdriver thru the drywall on both sides of the studs to locate the box.

Patch the small holes with a bit of caulk or spackle.


And be more careful next time :jester:

We KNOW you are the "contractor":laughing:


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