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ponch37300 01-26-2009 01:22 AM

how to calculate box fill
 
How do I calculate box fill? How do you turn wires into cubic inches? Is a 12-2 wire a certain amount of cubic inches, or a 14-2, or 14-3? Do you have to count for the switch or recep? Just wondering how to count all the wires up so I don't exceed the box fill. Thanks

Bob Mariani 01-26-2009 05:47 AM

Use the table 314.16(A) for conductor fill in boxes. Each wire is added, not each cable then compared to the fill allowed in the type and size box you are using. Some cables are counted and some like the grounds are added and counted as one... Read all of 314.16

Bocolo 01-26-2009 06:12 AM

Ponch,
I am not an electrician but this is what I have read:

Each #14 wire 2.00 CI
Each #12 wire 2.25 CI
All Ground wires count as 1 volume
All Receptacles and Switches count as 2 volumes
All internal clamps count as 1 volume

Example:

2 12/2 with ground cables entering a box through internal clamps for a duplex receptacle.

4 12 awg circuit wires 4 x 2.25 = 9.0 Cubic inches
2 12 awg ground wires (count as one) 1 x 2.25 = 2.25
2 internal clamps (count as one) 1 x 2.25 = 2.25
Duplex receptacle (count as two) 2 x 2.25 = 4.50

Add them all up = 18.00 cubic inches.

If you were using 14awg you would multiply times 2.00. You need to calculate based on the largest wire and you would also need to calculate for each fixture wire. If the fixture has 4 or fewer fixture wires with one ground and are entering the box from a domed fixture canopy you do not need to count them.

Again I am not an electrician. This is what I read on the 2008 code. Just trying to contribute. I hope I explained this correctly. Some of the other guys in here will most likely do a better job at explaining than I did.

SD515 01-26-2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bocolo (Post 219277)
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All Receptacles and Switches count as 2 volumes
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This should be worded as each device (receptacle, switch, etc.) counts as 2 volumes. Sorry, I don't have my code book handy to be able to word it specifically.

jrclen 01-26-2009 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocolo (Post 219277)
Again I am not an electrician. This is what I read on the 2008 code. Just trying to contribute. I hope I explained this correctly. Some of the other guys in here will most likely do a better job at explaining than I did.

Great post Bocolo. Good job. :thumbsup:

Lets add that #10 is 2.5 CI and that wires that don't enter or leave the box such as pig tails, are not counted.

ponch37300 01-26-2009 02:23 PM

Thanks guys. One question, what are internal clamps?

Bocolo 01-26-2009 06:15 PM

Some metal boxes have internal clamps to attach wire to a box.

Bocolo 01-26-2009 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SD515 (Post 219371)
This should be worded as each device (receptacle, switch, etc.) counts as 2 volumes. Sorry, I don't have my code book handy to be able to word it specifically.

You are correct. I think it is worded "for each yoke or strap containing devices". Thanks.

Bocolo 01-26-2009 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrclen (Post 219392)
Great post Bocolo. Good job. :thumbsup:

Lets add that #10 is 2.5 CI and that wires that don't enter or leave the box such as pig tails, are not counted.

Thanks. It took me a while to understand this but I finally get it.:thumbup:

Bocolo 01-26-2009 07:15 PM

One question I still have regarding this. Should not "wirenuts" be included in the calculation? Thanks.

InPhase277 01-26-2009 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bocolo (Post 219660)
One question I still have regarding this. Should not "wirenuts" be included in the calculation? Thanks.

Only in Canada.

chris75 01-26-2009 07:27 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Here are some examples...

Read this as well....http://ecmweb.com/nec/electric_box_f...ons/index.html

Attachment 7694

Attachment 7695

ponch37300 01-26-2009 09:00 PM

Thanks for the pics Chris. So plastic boxes don't have internal clamps right?

So if you have 2 14-2 wires and one 14-3 wire in a single gang plastic box with a switch you would need a 20 cubic inch box right?

Plumbvoltage 01-26-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ponch37300 (Post 219752)
So if you have 2 14-2 wires and one 14-3 wire in a single gang plastic box with a switch you would need a 20 cubic inch box right?

I come up with 17 cu in.

ponch37300 01-26-2009 09:22 PM

Wouldn't (2) 14-2 wires and (1) 14-3 be 7 wires plus one ground plus one switch times 2 for 14 gauge wire be 18 cubic inches? Guess I was wrong with 20.


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