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Old 09-15-2012, 02:35 PM   #16
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Show me one that wont...
Ahhhh the good ol' "I'll switch it around on him and tell him to prove a negative" routine...

All of them. Not a single one I have ever seen has been listed for that. If you know of one, let us know. Until then, you can't do it.

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Ahhhh the good ol' "I'll switch it around on him and tell him to prove a negative" routine...

All of them. Not a single one I have ever seen has been listed for that. If you know of one, let us know. Until then, you can't do it.
Look, show me a device where is says you cant... easy question. Everything is permissive, meaning, you can do it unless stated otherwise...
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Look, show me a device where is says you cant... easy question. Everything is permissive, meaning, you can do it unless stated otherwise...
Untrue. Not when it comes to listings.
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Untrue. Not when it comes to listings.
So, when I buy a box of receptacles, i'm suppose to look up the listings on each product? Or don't you think it would be part of the installation instructions.... Anyways, show me a device that says you can't use both.
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So, when I buy a box of receptacles, i'm suppose to look up the listings on each product? Or don't you think it would be part of the installation instructions.... Anyways, show me a device that says you can't use both.
Again, you don't prove a negative. You follow the listing, whether you want to or not.

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Again, you don't prove a negative. You follow the listing, whether you want to or not.

One day you'll learn...
OKAY... and until i see a receptacle that says I can't, i shall.... Hate trolls...
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No no no, please stop giving electrical advice.

AMG, in this situation you would pigtail them as you said, but what the issue may be is box fill. Too many wires in the box, you are only allowed so many, depending on the box size.
There is no way he can twist 3 sets of wire AND pigtail it to the outlet AND have it all fit in that box. Thus my suggestion to back stab due to limited space.
Maybe YOU should be the one not giving electrical advise /opinion as your latest is in correct.
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There is no way he can twist 3 sets of wire AND pigtail it to the outlet AND have it all fit in that box. Thus my suggestion to back stab due to limited space.
Maybe YOU should be the one not giving electrical advise /opinion as your latest is in correct.
He may be able to, it appears to be a 1096N, they have 18cu in. Should be stamped inside on the back of the box, I believe
Assuming it is 14AWG!
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Untrue. Not when it comes to listings.
Would be glad to, just give me the listing numbers of a T5320, and I'll start a search
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Would be glad to, just give me the listing numbers of a T5320, and I'll start a search
haha... I love how the evidence is just piling up here to support the statement that was given...
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Hate trolls...
And this one is classic.
I go away for one afternoon and I miss all the fun.
Funny how he says he was told we are a bunch of douches here, yet he remains.
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Funny, all I see here is where it says "Side Wire & Push Wire".
NO WHERE does it prohibit the use of both.
I am not condoning it, but it definitely code complaint.




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I am a DIY'er for sure. I don't have much electrical experience, but done drywall, plumbing, etc. lots of automotive and motorcycle work, so I have a bit of a background fixing and making things work

Below is a picture of one of my bedrooms. Near the baseboard you'll see there is a cable outlet and a power outlet, both of which I am concerned with. I want to wall mount a LCD TV and have it be as clean as possible.

I figure the cable TV is low voltage and no big deal. I was in the attic running the CAT-5e for my house and saw where that went down. I figured I could cover that with a blank plate and simply install a low-voltage gang plate up higher where the TV goes and then install the cable outlet behind the TV.

I figured adding a second power outlet up higher would be more logical than simply trying to re-locate the current power outlet. That outlet could come in handy for a vacuum or something else, so why get rid of it.


Here is what I thought:
1. flip the breaker (be safe)
2. remove each of the wires from the electrical outlet.
3. using caps put the original wire along with 2 sets of wire in a cap and twist together tight.
4. re-install one set of wires in to the existing outlet
5. install the other set of wires higher up where the new outlet would be.

for the new outlet I would buy the same outlet (probably replace the original because looking at it, I see cracking of the plastic part and it visually looks beat) along with a higher voltage gang box. Secure gang box in, snake wire down to original outlet and then proceed with the steps above.

I am no electrician (obviously) and I know some things must be done "to code", but is this something that really requires I pay someone?

what tips can you give me if I am off on any of this?
Thank you!


You have two 14/2 cables existing in the grey plastic box already plus one device. You want to add one more 14/2 cable. Lets do the math;

3 14/2 =

3 blacks
3 whites
1 ground
total = 7 conductors plus 2 conductors for the device = 9

9 conductors total

9 x 2.00 cu.in. = 18 cu. in.

A small plastic nail on is 18 cu. in and rated for 9 #14's

If the box is the large plastic nail on then it is around 20.5 cu. in.

Either way you can add the third 14/2 cable, pigtail the splices and come off with one wire to each device terminal. I would also recommend using a green wirenut to reduce the number of egc's in the wirenut by one and make the ground splice easier to make.

Also, looking at the back of your device, you can backstab the additional black and white without pigtailing anything. Then redo the egc splice using a green wirenut and your done.

Problem solved!!
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