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Old 06-08-2012, 01:46 AM   #16
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The run between the main panel box and what Ryan calls the spa pack is a feeder. Read 215.2(A)(1) Exception No. 2 and 215.2(A)(2).
I disagree. I believe it is more properly classified as a branch circuit. The spa pack exists only to provide GFCI protection and a disconnect.

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The run between the main panel box and what Ryan calls the spa pack is a feeder. Read 215.2(A)(1) Exception No. 2 and 215.2(A)(2).
Glenn.,

I know you say feeder however there is a fine line between the feeder and branch circuit and with the OP's situation it is only a branch circuit not a feeder at all.

If I heard subpanel with couple circuits then it will become feeder but single circuit that is not a feeder.

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Article 100 Definitions ... "Feeder. All circuit conductors between the service equipment, the source of a seperately derived system, or other power supply source and the final branch-circuit overcurrent device." The GFCI breaker is the final branch-circuit overcurrent device.
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Article 100 Definitions ... "Feeder. All circuit conductors between the service equipment, the source of a seperately derived system, or other power supply source and the final branch-circuit overcurrent device." The GFCI breaker is the final branch-circuit overcurrent device.
I concur, the definition is very clear in the NEC what a feeder is and what a branch circuit is.
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Glenn.,

I know you say feeder however there is a fine line between the feeder and branch circuit and with the OP's situation it is only a branch circuit not a feeder at all.

If I heard subpanel with couple circuits then it will become feeder but single circuit that is not a feeder.

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I concur, the definition is very clear in the NEC what a feeder is and what a branch circuit is.
Now check the definition of "branch circuit". It fits that definition at least as well. Since the OCPD in the panel does not supply any other loads, and the GFCI breaker isn't really there to provide overcurrent protection (it's a GFCI and disconnect), I'd say this is a branch circuit.
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Now check the definition of "branch circuit". It fits that definition at least as well. Since the OCPD in the panel does not supply any other loads, and the GFCI breaker isn't really there to provide overcurrent protection (it's a GFCI and disconnect), I'd say this is a branch circuit.
How can you call it a branch circuit when its not the final occurrent device? Its that simple, really. You can't manipulate the wording because you want to call the last over current device a disconnect, which it is by the way... BUT its still an over current device... SO its a feeder. at least by the NEC definition.
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How can you call it a branch circuit when its not the final occurrent device? Its that simple, really. You can't manipulate the wording because you want to call the last over current device a disconnect, which it is by the way... BUT its still an over current device... SO its a feeder. at least by the NEC definition.
What if the GFCI breaker were a 200A breaker?
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What if the GFCI breaker were a 200A breaker?
Hmm, You may be on to something. lol... but have you ever seen that install?

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Hmm, You may be on to something. lol... but have you ever seen that install?
Of course not - it's strictly hypothetical. The point is that while the GFCI breaker in the spa pack has the ability to function as an OCPD, it isn't actually doing so in this installation.
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Of course not - it's strictly hypothetical. The point is that while the GFCI breaker in the spa pack has the ability to function as an OCPD, it isn't actually doing so in this installation.
but you don't know which one will trip first. Im just saying, it is what it is... that scenario is no different than leaving a panel with a 60 amp breaker and back feeding a sub-panel with a 60 amp breaker, which one is the OCPD? Would you call that wire a branch circuit or a feeder?

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