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sorebikr 09-16-2011 01:41 PM

Hot Tub & Bonding
 
I have what I imagine is a very basic question, but I haven't been able to find reliable information & instruction.

Installing a hottub, and have completed the wiring. 50a breaker in the main panel. 4 THHN 6awg wires (3+Ground) running to this GFCI load center. Wires are run in RNM conduit. Run continues to the hot tub (2+Ground for this particular tub) in RMC up to the skirt, then liquatite (< 5') into the tub. I don't think I make any mistakes there.

I know the tub also needs to be bonded and this is where I would really appreciate some direction. I've read I might need 8awg bare copper...and that's all the detail I've found. Could someone please spell out for me exactly what I'm supposed to do to make sure this is properly bonded?

The tub is outside, on a 4" concrete slab. Its set into a wooden deck. There are no metal anything within 10+ feet of the tub.

I can/will ask the inspector (yes, this will be inspected) and I'm sure he'll tell me what he's looking for. But I'd like to keep things moving and have it right before he shows up.

Thank you in advance. Happy to provide more info or pictures if that will help.

brric 09-16-2011 02:49 PM

My local inspector has told me that prepackaged spa units do not need an equipotential bonding grid.

bob22 09-16-2011 03:36 PM

I would think the concrete slab and tub might need to be bonded (usually done when poured to the rebar). Best to ask inspector before you place the tub IMO since their opinions seem to vary from one another and from which code version they are enforcing.

sorebikr 09-16-2011 04:05 PM

Yeah
 
So those are my questions. I figured it was less critical to have the tub bonded to the slab since the deck is 2.75' above the slab, and completely walled off (no one is likely to ever walk on the slab). If it needs to be bonded to the slab, then I'll need to chip away some of the slab to get to the rebar. Not the end of the world, but a pain in the butt I'd like to avoid. If I need to bury some sort of bonding ring around the tub, that's also possible.

brric - I really hope you turn out to be right. :)

brric 09-16-2011 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sorebikr (Post 729543)
So those are my questions. I figured it was less critical to have the tub bonded to the slab since the deck is 2.75' above the slab, and completely walled off (no one is likely to ever walk on the slab). If it needs to be bonded to the slab, then I'll need to chip away some of the slab to get to the rebar. Not the end of the world, but a pain in the butt I'd like to avoid. If I need to bury some sort of bonding ring around the tub, that's also possible.

brric - I really hope you turn out to be right. :)

Tell the inspector there is a T.I.A. Temporary interim amendement.

daveplot 09-16-2011 04:27 PM

I would not be able to quote code, but what does the Spa installation instructions say? I can say for the brand I have, Hot Springs, there is no bonding involved. Just the ground to the specified location in the electronic control box from the spa sub-pannel.

sorebikr 09-16-2011 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveplot (Post 729553)
I would not be able to quote code, but what does the Spa installation instructions say? I can say for the brand I have, Hot Springs, there is no bonding involved. Just the ground to the specified location in the electronic control box from the spa sub-pannel.

I'll double check this weekend if there's anything specifically listed. Its a Sundance tub, and I don't remember finding anything in the online PDF but I'll look again.

sorebikr 09-16-2011 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brric (Post 729548)
Tell the inspector there is a T.I.A. Temporary interim amendement.

I'll try that.

Code05 09-17-2011 02:32 AM

The TIA is for the 2011 NEC. It can be found here.

http://www.nfpa.org/Assets/files/Abo...TIA70-11-1.pdf

Many jurisdictions are on 2005 or 2008 NEC, 2006 or 2009 IRC: so the TIA may not apply.

If so, you may still need a Equipotential Bonding Grid according to 680.26.

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/a...00723312_2.jpg

Jim Port 09-17-2011 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveplot (Post 729553)
I would not be able to quote code, but what does the Spa installation instructions say? I can say for the brand I have, Hot Springs, there is no bonding involved. Just the ground to the specified location in the electronic control box from the spa sub-pannel.

I don't see how the instructions not mentioning the bonding would relieve the installer of not following the NEC.

Code05 09-17-2011 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 729928)
I don't see how the instructions not mentioning the bonding would relieve the installer of not following the NEC.

They don't.


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