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Bocolo 03-09-2009 06:46 PM

Hot and Neutral at Service Panel
 
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Hello,
Is it ok to wire a service panel in this manner? I am talking about having the wires come from below, running them inside the panel, and then turning them on top and connecting the two hots to the main breaker and the neutral to the neutral bar. The reason I ask is because this panel currently only has 4 circuits, so right now it looks good. But what happens when I add another 15 to 20 breakers? It just seems to me that these wires (service entrance cables?) are taking too much space. I tried installing an AFCI breaker yesterday (they are much longer than a regular breaker) and was not able to install it on the right hand side because the neutral cable was on the way. I already talked to the electrician but I want to have my facts straight when he comes back. I can take a better picture if these are not too clear. Thanks for your time and input.

Speedy Petey 03-09-2009 07:05 PM

It is fine. Stupid, but perfectly fine.
Some electricians still cannot get over that old-school "upside down panel" syndrome.

As long as the main breaker moves from side to side, as most every new MB panel does, it is perfectly legal and safe to install the panel with the main breaker on the bottom.
There is no such thing as upside down.

If it is already installed I don't think I'd ask them to change it though. :no:

NolaTigaBait 03-09-2009 07:08 PM

you should have flipped the panels ....that looks like garbage anyway, so i wouldn't worry

Bocolo 03-09-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NolaTigaBait (Post 242420)
you should have flipped the panels ....that looks like garbage anyway, so i wouldn't worry

If it looks like garbage I definitely need to worry. I know you are looking at pictures during the install but what is it exactly that makes you call this work garbage? Thanks.

Bocolo 03-09-2009 09:26 PM

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There is no such thing as upside down.

If it is already installed I don't think I'd ask them to change it though
Speedy,
Why would I not ask him to change it? If I put the panel upside down would not the main breaker be backwards? I mean "Off" would be on the left position. Or can you switch the main also? I am not questioning you just trying to understand. My only concern is not having room to install all the future circuits that will need to be there. I talked to the electrician today and he said he will come over and take a look but that he is certain there is more than enough room. I just need to know I am sure what I am talking about before I go questioning his methods. Thanks for your time and input.

InPhase277 03-09-2009 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bocolo (Post 242480)
Speedy,
Why would I not ask him to change it? If I put the panel upside down would not the main breaker be backwards? I mean "Off" would be on the left position. Or can you switch the main also? I am not questioning you just trying to understand. My only concern is not having room to install all the future circuits that will need to be there. I talked to the electrician today and he said he will come over and take a look but that he is certain there is more than enough room. I just need to know I am sure what I am talking about before I go questioning his methods. Thanks for your time and input.

Left and right do not matter. The Code makes no distinction. Only up and down. If the breaker handle moves vertically, then on must be up. Turn them over and save some wire and room.

Bocolo 03-09-2009 09:36 PM

Thanks InPhase, did not know that. Thanks for your time.

Speedy Petey 03-09-2009 09:42 PM

Yup. What Inphase said.

I see this all the time. Some guys just cannot break the habit of always putting the main breaker at the top. Putting it at the bottom just seems wrong to them.

Must be they never did much commercial work. Commercial and industrial panels you have to order with the main breaker or feed lugs either top or bottom. It's been like that almost forever.

Bocolo 03-09-2009 09:50 PM

Thanks Speedy, very helpful as always. Since it is legal to install this way I guess I don't have much choice to accept it this way. I am still concern with all the new circuits that need to go in there. Would it be worth it to pay again and have it turned the other way around? Thanks for your time.

Speedy Petey 03-09-2009 10:10 PM

Worth it? That's hard to say or put a price on.

I see panels like this all the time.

Bocolo 03-09-2009 10:23 PM

Thanks. I will have a discussion with the electrician in a couple of weeks. See what he thinks. Thanks for your time and input.


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