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Old 05-25-2015, 02:20 PM   #1
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I am re-wiring my house and will need to install one 20A tamper resistant, AFCI receptacle on each branch. These are about $30ea right now, but for some reason the hospital grade version of the same product is less. Any reason for not using them?

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Are you sure you are comparing apples to apples? I can't say I have ever seen a tamper proof afci hospital grade receptacle and I think mainly because I don't know of any situation they are required.

Got any links to each of the devices?

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Where are you pricing them ?

If it is amazon, they appear to be clearance priced.
http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-AFTR2-.../dp/B00LI9FU0M
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Where are you pricing them ?

If it is amazon, they appear to be clearance priced.
http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-AFTR2-.../dp/B00LI9FU0M
wow. I have helped build several hospitals and worked in several others (currently working on a hospital expansion) and never never seen such an animal.

but anyway;


no reason you could not use those in place of the non-hospital grade devices. from UL

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In addition to complying with the general
use receptacle Listing requirements,
hospital grade receptacles incorporate
additional construction features and are
subjected to additional performance
requirements. These include grounding
reliability, assembly integrity, strength and
durability tests.
In other words; they are subject to more quality requirements but the biggest thing you would likely notice is there is a defined amount of force that must be met in pulling a plug from the receptacle. That can make them more difficult to plug something into as well.
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Why not use breakers? What you save by using the receptacle you likely lose in the part of the branch between the breaker and first device due to the code requirement for a metallic wiring method.
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I would ask the lady of the house if she is OK with the green dot on the face.
Some of them can get picky about things like that.
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Wow, that sure beats $30 ea. Makes you wonder what's wrong with them. I'll take the risk and order some. If I don't like the green dot, there's always nail polish.

I agree that an AF breaker offers more protection, but it is more costly, and they don't come in tandem width. If I can believe the claims, the AF receptacle protects against series faults both upstream and downstream. As for upstream parallel faults, my home runs are all in the attic. I can live without the extra protection there. Maybe in a few years, we'll see arc fault, glowing wire fault, and ground fault protection combined in a single product.
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Why not use breakers? What you save by using the receptacle you likely lose in the part of the branch between the breaker and first device due to the code requirement for a metallic wiring method.
I am rewiring. In this situation, my city does not require metallic/conduit for the home run portion. When was that requirement introduced?
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The new AFCI requirements are in the 2014 NEC.

But Calif. uses the CEC which runs 3 years behind the NEC.

So, assuming that Calif doesn't change the wording, the metallic requirement will go into effect here on Jan. 1, 2017.
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I bought six of those receptacles (max per order) while they were on clearance. They even came with face plates. Great deal, and probably all I will need. Mechanically they seem fine, with reasonable insertion force and contact engagement.
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I am rewiring. In this situation, my city does not require metallic/conduit for the home run portion. When was that requirement introduced?
That has always been the code for required AFCIs, and I have never heard of any amendments.
If you are thinking the AFCI receptacles will meet code for new/re-wires I doubt you are correct.
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If it is amazon, they appear to be clearance priced.

http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-AFTR2-.../dp/B00LI9FU0M

Amazon buys huge amounts of certain items. Personally I would go with a combo AFCI breaker than the outlets.
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Nap the hospital grade units stand up to a lot more abuse and also great for those outlets that get a lot of use.
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Speedey the AFCI outlets are for retrofit, where you are unable to use the AFCI breaker.

The 2014 NEC added that in at the last minute, before the books went to print.
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