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Old 12-16-2010, 08:37 PM   #31
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The mere fact that this is a kitchen, and he requested removing the GFI and installing a standard 3-prong receptacle, on an ungrounded circuit speaks volumes for his ineptness.
Quite possibly the inspector was incompetent, but experience has taught me that to made the determination you need to know *exactly* what was listed as a defect, and what was recommended as a correction.

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BTW, some older GFCI's will sometimes fail in a manner such that they will "trip" (the reset button will pop out) but will remain energized, which I why you can NOT rely exclusively on the internal test function. I catch one or two of these a year with my "unnecessary" tester.

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When you added the additional outlets, did you pull a new cable from the panel or did you just tap into the old wiring?
If you tapped into the old wiring did you add the original outlets to the load side of a GFCI?
Are all the outlets in the kitchen GFCI protected?
I added a completely new circuit from the panel into the kitchen when I added circuits. All outlets have GFCIs except one or two and those outlets are on the load side of the upstream GFCI and are protected.
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Quite possibly the inspector was incompetent, but experience has taught me that to made the determination you need to know *exactly* what was listed as a defect, and what was recommended as a correction.

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BTW, some older GFCI's will sometimes fail in a manner such that they will "trip" (the reset button will pop out) but will remain energized, which I why you can NOT rely exclusively on the internal test function. I catch one or two of these a year with my "unnecessary" tester.
All the GFCIs are new and the circuit does not remain energized. I changed them before I left to make sure I didn't have any problems. If you remember his corrective action to me verbally was to install regular three prong outlets in there place.
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All the GFCIs are new and the circuit does not remain energized. I changed them before I left to make sure I didn't have any problems. If you remember his corrective action to me verbally was to install regular three prong outlets in there place.
Well, that's completely wrong, of course. Sorry you have to deal with it.
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He stuck to his guns that the GFCIs would not work properly without it and then said he won that argument in court.
I could have beaten him handily with a photocopy of one page of the NEC-- and I'm not an electrician.
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yes but if he found the first outlet on the circuit and put a GFCI on it the rest would be covered and it would be compliant.
No, it wouldn't. Not if he actually extended (read: added anything to) the circuit. You cannot extend a non-compliant circuit. It is that simple. It doesn't matter if every recep had a GFCI on it, it would still not be legal because you cannot extend a non-compliant circuit, period.
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I added a completely new circuit from the panel into the kitchen when I added circuits. All outlets have GFCIs except one or two and those outlets are on the load side of the upstream GFCI and are protected.
so, the GFCI's of concern were existing receps? You simply added the GFCI protection, right?

and any receps with no ground but are GFCI protected are stickered as no ground and GFCI protected?

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The inspector may be wrong, but your goal is to sell the house. Were it me, I would ask the buyer to get his choice of a licensed electrician to give an estimate of what it would cost to fix the problem (whatever that problem may turn out to be in the electrician's professional opinion) and negotiate the selling price with that estimate factored in.
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......, I would ask the buyer to get his choice of a licensed electrician to give an estimate of what it would cost to fix the problem (whatever that problem may turn out to be in the electrician's professional opinion) and negotiate the selling price with that estimate factored in.
OK fine. What if there is NO problem? Who pays then?
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Could someone define "non-compliant" circuit? Is it any circuit that doesn't comply to the latest NEC?

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Could someone define "non-compliant" circuit? Is it any circuit that doesn't comply to the latest NEC?

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One that I can think of right now is from the late 80's. The bathroom receptacle circuit could be 15 amps and GFI and be shared with exterior receptacles. Now it needs to be 20 amp, GFI and only serve bathroom receptacles OR one bathroom.

Some garage and unfinished basement receptacles did not need GFI protection, now they do.

Older circuits for dryers and stoves were allowed to be fed with 3 wires. Now it must be 4 wires. Feeders to outbuilding are now the same way.
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Could someone define "non-compliant" circuit? Is it any circuit that doesn't comply to the latest NEC?

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It is based on the code at the time of installation.
Remodels could trigger current codes to be applied.

An example of a compliant circuit is a 3 wire feed to a stove or dryer.
As long as these items are not relocated, they are still ok, but if moved, will trigger the latest code, whitch requires 4 wire
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OK fine. What if there is NO problem? Who pays then?
If there is no problem, then there is either no cost, or a nominal cost for the advice from an electrician. How much could that be? Less than $100?

While you may have the moral authority to insist that the prospective buyer pay such costs, are you willing to risk loss of the sale for a hundred dollars?
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If there is no problem, then there is either no cost, or a nominal cost for the advice from an electrician. How much could that be? Less than $100?

While you may have the moral authority to insist that the prospective buyer pay such costs, are you willing to risk loss of the sale for a hundred dollars?
IMO the HI should have to pay because HE is the one who insisted that a problem existed where none did.
And we all know that buyers take a HI's word as gospel.
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While you may have the moral authority to insist that the prospective buyer pay such costs, are you willing to risk loss of the sale for a hundred dollars?
Maybe, but I don't feel the need to pay someone good money needlessly. I feel bad when an HI makes someone spend money to refute one of their "defects" like this that is not an issue even when I make money on it.

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