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Old 12-16-2010, 07:24 PM   #16
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I think, but not sure(if I wrong someone will let me know) the only approved way to test a GFCI is with the test button.

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Old 12-16-2010, 07:27 PM   #17
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well it didnt affect my uncles house sale but his home inspector was a stickler too, he opened up the panel and said there is no grease on those lugs. meaning the ORIGINAL panel which has been there forever was missing the di electric grease where the AL wire fed in which it was more likely it probably just dried up. well he ended up having to comply.
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Wow so he actually suggested to put a regular 3 prong in the place of the GFCI? And this is in a kitchen correct? Not only would that be violating the code on ungrounded outlets, but it is violating the wet area code as well!

What he is suggesting could lead to someone's death.
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Not defending this inspector, but have you seen the actual written report?

I know from personal experience that by the time my written comments get verbally transmitted through a couple of real agents and/or attorneys, they sometimes retain only an incidental resemblance to the original....
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Well today I contacted the inspector directly and challenged his opinion on the fact that the GFCIs are not wired correctly. I told him that GFCIs do not require an equipment ground to work properly and just because the equipment ground is not there does not mean that it is wired incorrectly. I told him per NEC you can replace a two prong outlet with a GFCI outlet as long as it is labeled as such. He stuck to his guns that the GFCIs would not work properly without it and then said he won that argument in court. His advise was to remove the GFCIs and install regular three prong non GFCIs outlets. This makes no sense to me but whatever. I have an electrician coming in to inspect. I move out of state or I could do more of this myself. I still feel that I am right and he is wrong and since he wrote the fact that they are wired incorrectly now the buyer wont believe me.
That is incredibly ignorant, i would contact your towns wiring inspector and have him talk to the home inspector, lets see that go to court, dumb home inspector vs. electrical inspector on an electrical related issue, i wonder who will win.
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Not defending this inspector, but have you seen the actual written report?

I know from personal experience that by the time my written comments get verbally transmitted through a couple of real agents and/or attorneys, they sometimes retain only an incidental resemblance to the original....
Yes, I did in fact see the written report and it states they GFCIs in the kitchen are incorrectly wired.
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I have had to "educate" more than one home inspector-critter on the proper installation of GFCI outlets, especially in older homes without the EGC.

Usually, I would offer that they call the local electrical board and ask them who is right ... they usually back down when faced with officials who are knowledgeable on such things ...
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Kbsparky.,

I have done the excat the same thing as you did.

They useally back off after the electrical board tell the home inspector the whole details { you should see their reaction }

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Yes, I did in fact see the written report and it states they GFCIs in the kitchen are incorrectly wired.
IF they claim incorrect wired did they any chance took a photo of it ?? that will make a diffrence there I know few case I did took a photo and show to the homeinspectors and they useally back off after they see the facts.

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Yes, I did in fact see the written report and it states they GFCIs in the kitchen are incorrectly wired.
Does it say anything more specific than "incorrectly wired"? Does it say it because it didn't trip with his tester?

He's full of B.S.

AS others have said, either hire a real electrician to check them out and provide you with a written report, or get your local inspector to check them out.

Oh yeah, when either of them give you the real answer, send it to the buyer's agent.
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Update: He stuck to his guns that the GFCIs would not work properly without it and then said he won that argument in court.
He's so full of it, he's beyond belief. A properly wired GFCI does not need a ground to work properly. Ask him to give you the court case info.

Any more conversation with this guy needs to be in writing only, because he's blowing smoke.

As you can tell, I really hate guys like him.
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Hello,

I remodeled the kitchen 2 years ago and added some more outlets above the counters. I did not remove the original outlets that were present.
When you added the additional outlets, did you pull a new cable from the panel or did you just tap into the old wiring?
If you tapped into the old wiring did you add the original outlets to the load side of a GFCI?
Are all the outlets in the kitchen GFCI protected?
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Not defending this inspector, but have you seen the actual written report?

I know from personal experience that by the time my written comments get verbally transmitted through a couple of real agents and/or attorneys, they sometimes retain only an incidental resemblance to the original....
The mere fact that this is a kitchen, and he requested removing the GFI and installing a standard 3-prong receptacle, on an ungrounded circuit speaks volumes for his ineptness.
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When you added the additional outlets, did you pull a new cable from the panel or did you just tap into the old wiring?
If you tapped into the old wiring did you add the original outlets to the load side of a GFCI?
Are all the outlets in the kitchen GFCI protected?
If he added to the original wiring, he does have a problem. Maybe that is the "not wired correctly" issue. You cannot extend a non-compliant circuit.

I'm starting to think there is a misunderstanding as to why the ground is required and after reading the entire thread, I think it might be because OP extended a non-compliant circuit.

the original outlets would not have to be added to the GFCI unless they were required to be GFCI protected. They would be considered as existing and grandfathered in.
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I'm starting to think there is a misunderstanding as to why the ground is required and after reading the entire thread, I think it might be because OP extended a non-compliant circuit.
yes but if he found the first outlet on the circuit and put a GFCI on it the rest would be covered and it would be compliant.

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