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Savinmoney 09-25-2012 07:42 PM

Ho water heater wiring
 
I'm replacing my breaker panel. No breakers in old panel when I bought the house, so I'm chasing wires. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if you have a red, black, white and ground, you have a 220 (double breaker)correct? Question is..... My Hot water heater has 10ga wire with only black, white and ground..so 110 correct? water heater says 240v, so why the 110 circuit? I know I need 30 amp breaker. Wires from heater go to a box on the wall THEN to wiring leading to panel. Does this have anything to do with it?.....Confused

joed 09-25-2012 07:49 PM

A water heater does not require a neutral. Therefore it only requires two wires to function. The only way to know for sure the voltage is to check the name plate on the tank. If there is not one then check the actual heating elements. They will be stamped with a voltage and a wattage. Most likely it is 240 but checking the plate it only way to be sure.

Savinmoney 09-25-2012 07:54 PM

Joed, It is a 240v. So, in oder to hook up a breaker to this, would I hook white and black to a double (220) 30 amp breaker...bare wire to fuse panel of course?

Savinmoney 09-25-2012 08:08 PM

Please verify
 
Silly maybe, but just double checking...Red, Black, white and ground = 220...Black, white, ground = 110. Right?

Speedy Petey 09-25-2012 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Savinmoney (Post 1017358)
Silly maybe, but just double checking...Red, Black, white and ground = 220...Black, white, ground = 110. Right?

Nope. WAY to over simplified.

Black, red and white is typically a 120/240V circuit, or a multi-wire branch circuit.

120V circuits are black and white if run in cable.

240v circuits are typically also black and white if run in cable. Some people run black, red and white and cap off the white, usually because they don't know any better.

allthumbsdiy 09-25-2012 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Savinmoney (Post 1017358)
Silly maybe, but just double checking...Red, Black, white and ground = 220...Black, white, ground = 110. Right?

what are you trying to do?

Savinmoney 09-25-2012 08:35 PM

So the only time you would have a double breaker is with the red,black,white, ground combo?

Savinmoney 09-25-2012 08:38 PM

allthumbs..replacing a breaker box. no breakers in old box when I bought the house and other issues with box also so just replacing

allthumbsdiy 09-25-2012 08:40 PM

thx. just a side question, are you pulling the meter to swap or setting up a parallel panel until cutover?

Savinmoney 09-25-2012 08:45 PM

allthumbs..no power to house right now. I'm putting in new 200 amp panel along with new meter combo outside as well

jbfan 09-25-2012 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Savinmoney (Post 1017386)
So the only time you would have a double breaker is with the red,black,white, ground combo?

No, sometimes you can have a black and white on a breaker.
You need to find what is connected to the other ends of the wire.

Savinmoney 09-25-2012 09:24 PM

jbfan..such as a water heater? 10ga wire...black and white hooked to double 30 amp breaker? It's a 240v heater.

Gac66610 09-25-2012 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Savinmoney (Post 1017354)
Joed, It is a 240v. So, in oder to hook up a breaker to this, would I hook white and black to a double (220) 30 amp breaker...bare wire to fuse panel of course?

Yes, just re-identify the white wire with a piece of black, or red tape.(I have used a black sharpie to do this).
This way no one is confused later.

jrclen 09-25-2012 09:28 PM

A 240V pump circuit might be black white and ground.
A 240V older dryer circuit might be black white and ground.
A 120V multi wire branch circuit might be black red white and ground.

Like JB said, you need to find out what's on the other end of the wires. Is anything marked?

Savinmoney 09-25-2012 09:43 PM

jr..nothing is marked. I'm slowly chasing wires. hot water heater is 240v black, white, and ground. 10ga wire, so.....black and white hooked to 30amp double breaker?


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