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Old 11-24-2010, 10:53 AM   #31
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You know what... maybe the hall light was permanently on because I had all 3 black wires pigtailed.. Regardless, everything works right now except that far switch. I guess I will go ahead and buy the new switch, and hook her up and see what happens.


Though part of me just wants to pull it out again, wire the two blacks together, put the white to the bottom neutral, put the red to the traveler, attach the ground and try it one last time before I buy a new switch (like the diagram says). Maybe the reason the hall lights stayed on indefinitely is because, as mentioned above, all 3 black wires on the other switch were pigtailed - maybe it didnt have anything to do with the 2 black wires being pigtailed on the far switch

I feel like I'm so close, I just want to be done with this already

And I'll take pictures once it's all working, so if someone ever has a similar issue, hopefully this thread will be of help to them.

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You know what... maybe the hall light was permanently on because I had all 3 black wires pigtailed.. Regardless, everything works right now except that far switch. I guess I will go ahead and buy the new switch, and hook her up and see what happens.
Maybe you can just exchange the switch, tell them it isn't working.

A new switch sounds like a reasonable thing to try at this point before you put yourself through any more grief.

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Maybe you can just exchange the switch, tell them it isn't working.

A new switch sounds like a reasonable thing to try at this point before you put yourself through any more grief.

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Thanks for your help so far through this whole ordeal, and to the other guy(s) who posted. It's great that there's a place like this online with people who want to help others out

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I think this is how mine is setup:
http://www.indepthinfo.com/3-way-swi...ch-light.shtml

With the exception of the first switch having the extra Romex connection for the bathroom and closet lights, and having the neutral on the switch.

Ok so looking at this:


If just nutting together the two black wires does not make the switch work, then I believe i will need to buy a 3 way switch and:
1) Nut together the two black wires on the far switch
2) Connect the white from the Romex going to the light fixture(s) to the Common screw
3) Connect the white from the 3-way Romex connection onto switch (not the common screw)

Maybe? Possibly? Anyone see why that wouldn't work? Right now I have step 2 and 3 set up using black wires instead of the white ones, and the white ones are nutted together. What I'm proposing is doing the opposite I guess?
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I think this is how mine is setup:
http://www.indepthinfo.com/3-way-swi...ch-light.shtml

I agree, except that yours also feeds the bath and closet lights from tapping into the supply at the lower switch. Please be aware, that the linked diagram is different than the picture you included in the post. I don't think that picture applies to your situation.

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You know what... maybe the hall light was permanently on because I had all 3 black wires pigtailed
If you have three black wires pigtailed together, then I believe it is wired incorrectly. My suggestion is to re-look at the diagram I provided and make your wiring match this.

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If just nutting together the two black wires does not make the switch work, then I believe i will need to buy a 3 way switch and:
1) Nut together the two black wires on the far switch
2) Connect the white from the Romex going to the light fixture(s) to the Common screw
3) Connect the white from the 3-way Romex connection onto switch (not the common screw)

Maybe? Possibly? Anyone see why that wouldn't work? Right now I have step 2 and 3 set up using black wires instead of the white ones, and the white ones are nutted together. What I'm proposing is doing the opposite I guess?
I do not believe you can mix and match the Z-wave switch with one not the matching Z-wave switch. I don't believe you can relate the picture in your post to your Z-wave installation. Please put that out of your mind.

My suspicion is that you have not quite correctly duplicated the wiring suggested in the wiring diagram.

My suggestion: Cease the experminentaion. Remove it all. Pull out and identify each wire. Take a break. Drink a diet coke. Study the diagram. Make sure you can relate your wires to those shown in the diagram. Then put it back per the diagram. Take your time. It will be there tomorrow.

Be careful and safe! Don't forget to remove power when working on these. Get a volt meter to confirm there are no unexpected voltages standing ready to cause pain and injury.
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I agree, except that yours also feeds the bath and closet lights from tapping into the supply at the lower switch. Please be aware, that the linked diagram is different than the picture you included in the post. I don't think that picture applies to your situation.



If you have three black wires pigtailed together, then I believe it is wired incorrectly. My suggestion is to re-look at the diagram I provided and make your wiring match this.



I do not believe you can mix and match the Z-wave switch with one not the matching Z-wave switch. I don't believe you can relate the picture in your post to your Z-wave installation. Please put that out of your mind.

My suspicion is that you have not quite correctly duplicated the wiring suggested in the wiring diagram.

My suggestion: Cease the experminentaion. Remove it all. Pull out and identify each wire. Take a break. Drink a diet coke. Study the diagram. Make sure you can relate your wires to those shown in the diagram. Then put it back per the diagram. Take your time. It will be there tomorrow.

Be careful and safe! Don't forget to remove power when working on these. Get a volt meter to confirm there are no unexpected voltages standing ready to cause pain and injury.
I got it all working yesterday, I have a switch-switch-light system.

The Z-Wave switch works fine with the non-Z-wave switch.

I'm able to turn the lights on/off at both locations, the bathroom and closet work independently, and I can turn the hall lights on/off from my phone using Z-wave.

I ended up replacing the farthest switch with a new non-zwave 3way switch, instead of using that auxiliary one. I nutted the neutrals together, attached the traveler, the black from the 3way romex to the load screw, the other romex black wire to the line screw, and grounded it. Works great!



Thanks for all the help!
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Congratulations! You worked hard on that one. I would have given up.

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