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Old 12-11-2007, 11:46 AM   #1
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Hi,
I have taken my storage heater out and taken out the fused switch that was there and replaced it with a an outlet to plug appliances in.However I am not getting any power through it when I plug anything in.

I have checked that I have wired it correctly and it was working before.

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I have checked that I have wired it correctly and it was working before.

If this is true then you have put too much load on the circuit and tripped the breaker or blown the fuse - or the breaker or recepticle has failed. If not these, then you probably didn't wire it correctly. Changing a switch to a recepticle can be tricky.

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If you remove a fuse of any kind you have opened the circuit. Frankly, I do not understand your question. "Fused switch" what is that? Was it part of the heater.
Okay, so, I am to assume you removed a switch from the heater that had a fuse in it? Are you sure it was a fuse? And how do you know it was a fuse? Did you take the two wires that were on the switch and connect them together. If not, that is your problem if it was a fuse. Connect the two wires that were on the heater switch together.
The fuse was there for a reason. Why did you remove it. Why did you not replace it. Let us know. Think safety first all the time.

I think there is a diode or a similar barrel shaped object in electric heaters. If this is what you removed, I hope you saved it so you can find another one and install it back the way it was.
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Guys he is likely from the UK where some light switches actually have a small 5a ceramic fuse as a attachment to the assembly. These protect the load side of the switch, kind of a novel idea you lose just that one load ..the light(s) but not the entire branch circuit on fault. I don't think he is saying he removed a switch from the heater.

Leony are you in the USA?

Please tell me how you wired this receptacle outlet and tell me all the colors of the wires in the switch box and how you connected them to the receptacle.

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Thanks for your replies. I am in the uk. ok the switch in question was a basic on off switchto power a storage heater. the kind you switch at night so it stores the heat using off peak energy.the switch I took off had a 13amp fuse in it but connected to the main electricity supply. I wired the new socket as follows. Red live..blue neutral and yyellow/green to earth as indicated on the socket.
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Was the blue wire connected to a screw on the switch you removed? or was it connected to another wire going to the heater and not to the switch?

Also was the heater wired into the same box as the switch or was it plugged into a socket the switch turned off and on?

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yes it was. is it possible the socket itself is faulty?
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sorry typing too quick. this is what I took outand this is what I put in. the blue wire was connected via a screw. the mains connected into the top and the heater through the bottom.

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Ok here is the problem. I you look at the diagram this is similar to what you had when the heater worked . The blue wire is not a neutral but is being used as a switched hot. So power goes to your box without a neutral. You will have to get a neutral to the switch box. Red is the constant hot wire and blue is normally a neutral but in your case they have used it as a switched hot. You will have to get a neutral to your switch box.

Can you tell me what color of wires are in the socket that the heater was originally plugged into and how they are connected? We might be able to get you going.

This is sorta what you have going on notice the switch (fuse not shown) only has hot wires no neutral. If you follow the blue from the switch you will see it goes to a rose (you may have one or may not) the blue may go straight to the original socket. Do you see what I'm talking about? Notice the blue on the socket is the actual neutral. You need to get a connection to that neutral with the blue wire in the new socket box either at the rose or the original socket (if a constant hot is there with the original switched hot) or bring a new wire for the neutral to the switch box.
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This is one of the ways you can do it and have one outlet hot all the time and the one in the switch box switched but you have to get a neutral into that switch box either by utilizing the blue wire in some manner or by bringing another wire into the new socket box to use as a neutral.

If you look at the image before this in the previous post if I took the blue leaving the switch and at the rose and moved it to the other blues and then took the red that connected with the blue at the rose and moved it over to the other reds I would have one outlet switched and one outlet permanently hot. Remember the blue is now connected to the neutral of the new socket not the switch.
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thanks for your help guys. Should be able to sort it now.

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