Help with new 220V sub panel circuit

frenchelectrican · 11-25-2012, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkbreeze

Not being a smartass, but I was just told by two electricians on another forum that this is not correct and to ask you what section of NEC this violates. Thanks.

If you don't mind tell me which forum you ask them on this part ??

Merci,
Marc

jbfan · 11-25-2012, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkbreeze

Not being a smartass, but I was just told by two electricians on another forum that this is not correct and to ask you what section of NEC this violates. Thanks.

Not off the top of my head, and it will be tomorrow before I can look it up.
Can you tell me what forums?

k_buz · 11-25-2012, 10:43 PM

225.30

JuzRick · 11-25-2012, 10:45 PM

HEY YOU GUYS ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!!!!!!! REFERENCE THINKING ABOUT IT. I WAS LOOKING AT IT AT ANOTHER STAND POINT. ONCE YOU CONNECT BOTH HOTS..OR NEUTRAL AS A HOT(AS ON A HOT WATER HEATER INCLUDED) ON THE DBL POLE, YES.. THE TWO ARE HOTS.. THEN NEUTRAL TO TERMINAL.. THEN GROUND TO GROUND TERMINAL, YEA.. I GOT YOU OLD HEADS(JUST JOKING). BRRIC.. U STILL A SMART BUT. K_Buz.. YOU WERE DOING WONDERFUL. DONT START JUDGING MY LICENSE.

WHENEVER YOU THINK YOUR TO EDUCATED, THATS WHEN YOU START SCREWING UP. FOR WHEN SINCE ANYONE SCORED A STRAIGHT SHOT BEFORE, OR AFTER OBTAINING THERE CREDENTIALS???? GIVE ME CREDIT---I DID CROSS EXAMINE THE FACTS- OK GUYS....

STILL APPRECIATE YOU GUYS... AS I WILL STILL BE MERGING WITH YOU GUYS ON ADDITIONAL POST--UNLESS YOU DON'T SHOW UP! ))

darkbreeze · 11-25-2012, 10:51 PM

How about a really long 220V extension cord? Is that allowed? (Smirk)

brric · 11-25-2012, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuzRick

HEY YOU GUYS ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!!!!!!! REFERENCE THINKING ABOUT IT. I WAS LOOKING AT IT AT ANOTHER STAND POINT. ONCE YOU CONNECT BOTH HOTS..OR NEUTRAL AS A HOT(AS ON A HOT WATER HEATER INCLUDED) ON THE DBL POLE, YES.. THE TWO ARE HOTS.. THEN NEUTRAL TO TERMINAL.. THEN GROUND TO GROUND TERMINAL, YEA.. I GOT YOU OLD HEADS(JUST JOKING). BRRIC.. U STILL A SMART BUT. K_Buz.. YOU WERE DOING WONDERFUL. DONT START JUDGING MY LICENSE.

WHENEVER YOU THINK YOUR TO EDUCATED, THATS WHEN YOU START SCREWING UP. FOR WHEN SINCE ANYONE SCORED A STRAIGHT SHOT BEFORE, OR AFTER OBTAINING THERE CREDENTIALS???? GIVE ME CREDIT---I DID CROSS EXAMINE THE FACTS- OK GUYS....

STILL APPRECIATE YOU GUYS... AS I WILL STILL BE MERGING WITH YOU GUYS ON ADDITIONAL POST--UNLESS YOU DON'T SHOW UP! ))

I didn't do one damn thing to offend you. I'm sure we'll all be looking forward with great anticipation to your future posts and insights.

frenchelectrican · 11-25-2012, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkbreeze

How about a really long 220V extension cord? Is that allowed? (Smirk)

That is kinda of grey area. some will say ok and some will say no.

For me I will not get too tempting with it because some peoples end up use this as perament useage.

Merci,
Marc

frenchelectrican · 11-25-2012, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuzRick

HEY YOU GUYS ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!!!!!!! REFERENCE THINKING ABOUT IT. I WAS LOOKING AT IT AT ANOTHER STAND POINT. ONCE YOU CONNECT BOTH HOTS..OR NEUTRAL AS A HOT(AS ON A HOT WATER HEATER INCLUDED) ON THE DBL POLE, YES.. THE TWO ARE HOTS.. THEN NEUTRAL TO TERMINAL.. THEN GROUND TO GROUND TERMINAL, YEA.. I GOT YOU OLD HEADS(JUST JOKING). BRRIC.. U STILL A SMART BUT. K_Buz.. YOU WERE DOING WONDERFUL. DONT START JUDGING MY LICENSE.

WHENEVER YOU THINK YOUR TO EDUCATED, THATS WHEN YOU START SCREWING UP. FOR WHEN SINCE ANYONE SCORED A STRAIGHT SHOT BEFORE, OR AFTER OBTAINING THERE CREDENTIALS???? GIVE ME CREDIT---I DID CROSS EXAMINE THE FACTS- OK GUYS....

STILL APPRECIATE YOU GUYS... AS I WILL STILL BE MERGING WITH YOU GUYS ON ADDITIONAL POST--UNLESS YOU DON'T SHOW UP! ))

Only one major qurik you have to remember any time you use the XX-2 cable ( I don't care what size it is ) if you have white conductor and used that for hot conductor you have to remark it to other colours as long it is not white ou ( or ) green. ( Just be aware I say cable not the indivual conductors in the conduit. )

Merci,
Marc

jbfan · 11-25-2012, 10:59 PM

JuzRick:
You will get called out if you give wrong or non code compliant advice here.
Don't let it get to you, and use it to learn.

When giving advice, make sure it is not a local requirement, but is listed in the NEC.

darkbreeze · 11-25-2012, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frenchelectrican

That is kinda of grey area. some will say ok and some will say no.

For me I will not get too tempting with it because some peoples end up use this as perament useage.

Merci,
Marc

I was just being facetious. I wasn't serious at all although I guess this would not violate the code, per se.

frenchelectrican · 11-25-2012, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by darkbreeze

I was just being facetious. I wasn't serious at all although I guess this would not violate the code, per se.

I can understand that question on that one and really techallywise not a code voilation right there if setup properly and put the cord away when you get done useing but I am not a strong fan have extendison cord allover the place in case someone tripped on that.

But you have to take a look out of the " box " there will be some day you will need something more powerfull items like welder or something that need hevey power useage like pretty big table saw is the other item that the bigger subpanel is a big plus to use it.

Merci,
Marc

JuzRick · 11-25-2012, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbfan

JuzRick:
You will get called out if you give wrong or non code compliant advice here.
Don't let it get to you, and use it to learn.

When giving advice, make sure it is not a local requirement, but is listed in the NEC.

I comprehend that also. But still as in that one scenario as to when the inspector looks very quickly over your work and not closely- still approves "on the I know you" buddy system.. thats very screwed. In the end if something occurs its on the electrician.

Regardless.. i do my darn best to following code, its complacence. If not sure about something, still I will ask. For no matter how long anyone been operating in the industry.. its a forever learning process! NO ONES PREFECT!

I've witness everyone out of the electricians on here correcting each other. AGAIN.. I HEAR YOU THOU!!!

darkbreeze · 11-25-2012, 11:22 PM

If the compressor was outside the garage, and the additional feed ran directly to the compressor and never entered the structure, would this still be in violation of the 225.30 NEC code, or is this a grey area too? Just wondering as I would like to be compliant, but I really can't afford to just take a loss on the 10/2 wiring, the existing wiring and also purchase another 75 ft of 6/4, just to use this compressor. I know a lot of compressors are left outside and then shielded from the weather so I thought maybe this would allow me to use what I have but still be compliant. Thanks.

JuzRick · 11-25-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by brric

I didn't do one damn thing to offend you. I'm sure we'll all be looking forward with great anticipation to your future posts and insights.

Hey i didnt meant to offend you either. But in one post you did responded with a sarcastic response towards me.. but i will end it right here. I'm allot to much of an adult for foolishness. Im here to develop growth in this field as everyone else.

Regardless of what we need to respect one another vs down grading!!!

frenchelectrican · 11-25-2012, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkbreeze

If the compressor was outside the garage, and the additional feed ran directly to the compressor and never entered the structure, would this still be in violation of the 225.30 NEC code, or is this a grey area too? Just wondering as I would like to be compliant, but I really can't afford to just take a loss on the 10/2 wiring, the existing wiring and also purchase another 75 ft of 6/4, just to use this compressor. I know a lot of compressors are left outside and then shielded from the weather so I thought maybe this would allow me to use what I have but still be compliant. Thanks.

IMO that is kinda in grey area but Just don't qoute me wrong I think it can be legit if you have a disconnect switch next to the outdoor compessour location it may be ok but I can not garraintee it.

That one I have to take a closer look unless other guys can chime in more details on this one but I will speak from my French regulations., It is legit only with a disconnect switch. Do your compressour do have a thermal protection on the motour ? if not then you have to use the fused or breaker disconnect switch on that.

Merci,
Marc

11-25-2012, 10:43 PM	#48
k_buz Licensed Electrician Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 3,275	Help with new 220V sub panel circuit 225.30 __________________ Not a fan of the new layout. Answers based on the National Electric Code. Always check local amendments.

11-25-2012, 10:45 PM	#49
JuzRick Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: SC Posts: 125	Help with new 220V sub panel circuit HEY YOU GUYS ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!!!!!!! REFERENCE THINKING ABOUT IT. I WAS LOOKING AT IT AT ANOTHER STAND POINT. ONCE YOU CONNECT BOTH HOTS..OR NEUTRAL AS A HOT(AS ON A HOT WATER HEATER INCLUDED) ON THE DBL POLE, YES.. THE TWO ARE HOTS.. THEN NEUTRAL TO TERMINAL.. THEN GROUND TO GROUND TERMINAL, YEA.. I GOT YOU OLD HEADS(JUST JOKING). BRRIC.. U STILL A SMART BUT. K_Buz.. YOU WERE DOING WONDERFUL. DONT START JUDGING MY LICENSE. WHENEVER YOU THINK YOUR TO EDUCATED, THATS WHEN YOU START SCREWING UP. FOR WHEN SINCE ANYONE SCORED A STRAIGHT SHOT BEFORE, OR AFTER OBTAINING THERE CREDENTIALS???? GIVE ME CREDIT---I DID CROSS EXAMINE THE FACTS- OK GUYS.... STILL APPRECIATE YOU GUYS... AS I WILL STILL BE MERGING WITH YOU GUYS ON ADDITIONAL POST--UNLESS YOU DON'T SHOW UP! ))

11-25-2012, 10:51 PM	#50
darkbreeze Newbie Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 25	Help with new 220V sub panel circuit How about a really long 220V extension cord? Is that allowed? (Smirk)

11-25-2012, 10:59 PM	#54
jbfan Electrical Contractor Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Newnan GA Posts: 5,078	Help with new 220V sub panel circuit JuzRick: You will get called out if you give wrong or non code compliant advice here. Don't let it get to you, and use it to learn. When giving advice, make sure it is not a local requirement, but is listed in the NEC. __________________ Yes I am a Pirate, 200 years too late. "Jimmy Buffett" Last edited by jbfan; 11-25-2012 at 11:10 PM. Reason: spelling

11-25-2012, 11:22 PM	#58
darkbreeze Newbie Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 25	Help with new 220V sub panel circuit If the compressor was outside the garage, and the additional feed ran directly to the compressor and never entered the structure, would this still be in violation of the 225.30 NEC code, or is this a grey area too? Just wondering as I would like to be compliant, but I really can't afford to just take a loss on the 10/2 wiring, the existing wiring and also purchase another 75 ft of 6/4, just to use this compressor. I know a lot of compressors are left outside and then shielded from the weather so I thought maybe this would allow me to use what I have but still be compliant. Thanks.

Help with new 220V sub panel circuit