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Old 12-30-2008, 05:25 PM   #16
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how many wires connected to the stat before you did anything?

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Old 12-30-2008, 05:27 PM   #17
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Het put that electrical tape all over the place because he is a DIY homeowner doing electrical work. Don't take that as an insult, it is just something people without experience like to do.

I used to work with some in the trade who used to do and when asked why he did it he really couldn't give me an answer.

I think the joints are correct because he only moved one set of wire over and left the other one there. Quicky working it through my head I beleive it is correct.

Just to add it doesn't look like your ground wire is under the ground screw, maybe it is just bigger wire but i would give it a slight pull and make it is tight underneath that screw.
Biggest problems I see is that the box isn't bonded and the clamp securing the cable is an NM clamp. It should be an MC style clamp. I think it is called a k-type.
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Thanks for all your comments,

The reason for the tape was that I read a few tutorials on the internet that said it was safer. So....monkey read monkey do.

The last picture that you see is the new junction box that I added to contain the spliced wires from my baseboard heater. The other set of wires from the main panel were long enough to support moving the thermostat to the desired location, thus no splice was needed and that is why you don't see it in the junction box.

In my mind all I have done is extend one set of wires by splicing them together in a new junction box. I now have two sets of wires (1x original and one spliced) that will attach to the thermostat which has been moved to the location shown in the first picture. I have not shown you a picture of the attachment to the new thermostat.


InPhase 277 What do you mean that the box isn't bonded?

Darren does the ground wire in a junction box splice need to be under the ground screw? I ask this because I have the ground wires under the ground screws in the junction box that the thermostat is mounted in.

Once again thanks for your help

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InPhase 277 What do you mean that the box isn't bonded?
I mean that the ground wire is connected to the box. All metal must be bonded to the equipment grounding wire. There is a tapped hole in the back of the box that accepts a 10-32 screw for this purpose.
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Old 12-30-2008, 07:25 PM   #20
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The two screws in the back of the box are for bonding the box. It just looks like your ground wire is not under that screw, i could be looking at it wrong as well. Give that ground wire a little shake and make sure it is tight underneath the screw.
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I mean that the ground wire is connected to the box. All metal must be bonded to the equipment grounding wire. There is a tapped hole in the back of the box that accepts a 10-32 screw for this purpose.

The kind of screws commonly used to bond the ground wire to the box look like this:
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The reason for the tape was that I read a few tutorials on the internet that said it was safer. So....monkey read monkey do.
Just make sure your wires are pre-twisted well, and that there is no bare wire exposed once the wire nut is on.

The tape doesn't really hurt anything, it just looks unprofessional and is messy when you have to change things.

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Het put that electrical tape all over the place because he is a DIY homeowner doing electrical work. Don't take that as an insult
How could anyone take that as anything other than an insult?

This is the DIY Chatroom forum. Maybe you meant to type mikeholt.com and typed the wrong thing by mistake?
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Thanks for all your comments,

The reason for the tape was that I read a few tutorials on the internet that said it was safer. So....monkey read monkey do.
The tape just makes it harder for us to see if you installed the wire nuts correctly. The wires should be twisting onto each other outside of the wire nut if you have it on there good and tight. No bare conductor should be sticking out of the wire nut either.
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I'm not digging those connections.

Black tape = red flag.

If you use those crappy wire nuts, pre twist the wires. You can't get a good grip on a nut like that.
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Here is a picture showing the cuts needed to pull the wires to the new location.



The last pic shows the project after I repaired the drywall and added a layer of primer. The white shaded areas delineate the approximate areas where the TV and speaker will be mounted.



I'd like to thank everybody who contributed. The last question I have... is it allowed/accepted to leave a note in the junction box explaining what it is? In the future, if any electrical work is done how will people know what the junction box is? Thanks again

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Yes you can put a note inside the junction box explaining where the wires go.

Hints: The tape over the wire nut is needed if bare metal on a hot or neutral conductor sticks out. I would rather use tape instead of undo the connection, trim the ends a tad, and redo the connection. But if one of the wires has slipped as evidenced by only it having bare metal exposed then the connection should be redone.

Some wire nuts are so short that it is very difficult to twist the wires together first without leaving bare metal exposed after the wire nut is put on.

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....... The wires should be twisting onto each other outside of the wire nut if you have it on there good and tight......
The 2nd pic shows how the wire nut should look after twisting

For wire nuts that do not have wings for extra leverage, lineman's pliers help to get the right twist.

I prefer this style wire nut:
IDEAL 30-341 Twister 341 Wire Connector, Tan - Toolup.com


The twisting tool that I still use (1st pic) is apparently no longer made but here is a newer version:
Ideal Electrician Wire Connector Twist Tool / Greenlee - (eBay.ca item 270317589514 end time 12-Jan-09 21:44:27 EST)
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Old 01-04-2009, 04:48 PM   #29
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I usually strip to long length, twist wires with linemans pliers (not hard grip, light, so they twist together smoothly), cut to length. Put the wire nut on, and twist it on tight.

No tape is needed, just a waste in my opinion.

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