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Old 04-21-2008, 03:21 PM   #46
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Wow!!! I just calculated the cost of the new #6 wires. $500.00!!!! I guess if I do it this way it will have to wait till the late summer. Bummer.

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Old 04-21-2008, 06:06 PM   #47
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Yes copper has really gone up these last few years. I figured you would have sticker shock....


You have the grounding of your light fixtures and receptacle boxes figured correctly. So go ahead and do the fix.

The GE panel is fine. You may have to get an electrician to find the challenger breaker for you or go to a electrical pro supply. I'll check to see if I can find one ..can you get me the type of breakers off the spec sheet on the pole panel? Or maybe one of the other breakers...? Some common challengers would be C2,QCAL,RC or BQ2. You might call Bay Breakers in California or check this site out.....

http://www.baybreakers.com/catalog/search.html

This is what I would do under your circumstances. I would pull out the 8's and install a #8 green ground. You could go with a #10 if you want but if you go to 70 amps someday then you will need a #8. Install the new GE sub-panel. Find a 50 amp Challenger breaker or classified substitute. I'll find one for you if you can get me the correct type breaker for the panel. Challenger as 4 types to my knowledge for residential applications. Or a picture of one of them will work. This will give you a 50 amp feeder and that just might get you by even in the winter.

If you have to go to 70 amps and you get ready to pull in #6 thwn for 70 amps let me know on this forum and I just might have some on the truck..... Might cost you some shipping charges though.... right now I only have about 150' of #6 copper.

I understand about your DAD, don't sweat it, everything you have can be easily fixed. Enjoy your DAD it doesn't matter if he made a few mistakes after all these years.

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Old 04-21-2008, 06:11 PM   #48
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Oh and Cyndi do not forget to pull in a pull string behind the #8's so you have something to pull the wires back in with...
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Thanks for the reminder about the pull string. I remembered today but maybe not tomorrow.

If I don't hear from you soon, I will get in touch when I get all the grounding done in the outlets and light fixtures to go on to the next step. cyndi
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Stubbie- By the way, it is snowing here and FREEZING outside so I will probably not get to the grounding changes for a few days. I'll also get you the Challenger breaker info then. After I am finished with the tedious little corrections, I will bug you again!!! In other words.......ENJOY YOUR BREAK FROM THE NEWBIE!!!! Have a great week and unless I have an imperative question for the electrical Guru, I'm signing off for now. Thanks a million.........Cyndi
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It was meant for your listing, not the entire site.
And it was very positive. Read it and learn.
I'm not the one way over my head in this fabricated scenario.
I usually keep my mouth shut in these situations BUT. Dude. SHUT UP!!!!!! SO what if her letters are big. Whats that got to do with ANYTHING..Only posts in here I have ever seen from you is meaningless. Let her get the help she asked for and if SHE decides it's over her head, then SHE will make a decision to call someone.
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Old 04-21-2008, 10:33 PM   #52
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Mr. 500-THANKS! I don't let what Joba has to say bother me. If it looks like an ass, acts like an ass and posts like an ass.......HE"S AN ASS !!!!

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Haha yeah. And to think guys like me getting shot at so that he can live the life he leads. But hey, not here to start a political debate, just had to say my peace. Its a great forum and I have had LOADS of help on my wiring dilemmas and I just hate that certain ones chime in with nothing but dumb idiotic things to say. Ill get off my soap box now. Back to the wiring at hand!!
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Mr. 500- We can just consider the source. I have seen several of his other postings and none of them are worth reading. It's too bad that he is offended or upset because newbies like me, man or woman have the capacity to learn a trade that has probably taken him years to learn and probably still has not mastered. What low self-esteem he has!!!!! Probably not breast fed as a baby!!!!! He needs to talk to Dr. Phil Cyndi
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Hi Cyndi

Freezing..... its 73 here in Kansas today just got in from taking my lab for a walk......I'll be around when you warmup and we can continue. In the mean time good luck and by the way you are doing fine.

You have asked very good questions and tells me you want to get things right. This is a DIY site so ask any questions you feel you need to.
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Freezing..... its 73 here in Kansas today just got in from taking my lab for a walk......I'll be around when you warmup and we can continue. In the mean time good luck and by the way you are doing fine.

You have asked very good questions and tells me you want to get things right. This is a DIY site so ask any questions you feel you need to.
Totally agree.
LOL Stubbie I mentioned your name in my "It Is Done" post
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Yes, I saw that and thank you. I'm glad you took the time to say thanks to everyone cause we have a a great group of professionals and Diyers on this site who deserve equal credit.
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YES I totally agree with that. Some are well....you know ..But majority are good people and they have taught me a lot. and other stuff I had to figure out on my own. BUT Im use to that being partly married to Uncle Sam LOL. Thanks AGAIN!!!!!

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Well I'm making my list and checking it twice for the two hour drive to Home Depot. Don't want to forget anything. I have been reading other posts and need your opinion on what panel I should buy. I have always heard that Square D and Cutler Hammer are the panels to buy if possible. I was going to get a GE, just because that one showed up on the Home Depot site first for a descent price. After reading some posts that say they don't like the GE slims, I'm thinking maybe I should go with a panel that has the double slims for one slot like what was mentioned for a better contact????

Also, when I buy a new panel, should I stick with all new breakers of the same manufacturer of the panel?? If some of the other breakers from my Murray (seimens and GE breakers) fit the new panel should I use them or not? I would rather spend a little more if that is recommended.

Shopping list so far: 1- Main breaker panel 100-125 amp, Appropriate breakers, Appropriate ground kit, # 8 ground wire for 140 feet, #6 bare wire for ground rods to panel, 50 amp breaker for main panel at house (Challenger). GFCI receptacles. Ground screws for correcting the ground system in boxes.

For later:
1/2" box connectors (screw type), 1/2" emt couplings (screw type), 1/2" emt conduit (for additional lighting and outlets, rectangle boxes/covers, octagon boxes/covers, duplex receptacles.

Already have left over #12 wire spools-black, red, white, green. Ceramic light fixtures, some connectors and, emt conduit and couplings.

ANYTHING ELSE????????
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Shopping list so far: 1- Main breaker panel 100-125 amp, Appropriate breakers, Appropriate ground kit, # 8 ground wire for 140 feet, #6 bare wire for ground rods to panel, 50 amp breaker for main panel at house (Challenger). GFCI receptacles. Ground screws for correcting the ground system in boxes.

I like the blue....

Yes that sounds good. But get a 100 amp panel if you can 125 just isn't necessary. At 140 feet we are really pushing to keep the voltage drop within reason using #8. Remember you also have circuit runs out to pastures... so that distance is how far out from the barn panel??? I don't know what your voltage is at the pole panel but assuming 240 volts you will be close to 230 at the barn panel using 140 feet as the distance and calculating 50 amps at any given time as a maximum non-continuous load. Anything under 50 amps improves the voltage drop.
Square d or cutler hammer are fine... personally I like cutler hammer (ch) but really any panel is going to be good. Usually they have contractor packages that come with several breakers. But always use the same maker of circuit breaker that matches the panel maker. You have a Murray out in the barn so get another one if you can and use the breakers you already have.
As for gfci receptacles you only need one per branch circuit. Put normal receptacles downstream of the gfci and wire them from the "load terminals" of the gfci. Generally put your lights on one circuit and the receptacles on another. Don't have to but a good idea.

Do your gfci's like this....


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