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Old 10-04-2008, 06:47 PM   #241
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I must be missing something cause I just can't seem to get it to work. Duh!!!!

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I must be missing something cause I just can't seem to get it to work. Duh!!!!
I have heard of other people's browser not showing all the buttons for some reason. But, like jrclen said, you can quote text by placing the text between html commands. Like this:

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Except it is spelled quote when inside the brackets. I spelled quot because it would have quoted me otherwise!
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I have heard of other people's browser not showing all the buttons for some reason. But, like jrclen said, you can quote text by placing the text between html commands. Like this:

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Except it is spelled quote when inside the brackets. I spelled quot because it would have quoted me otherwise!
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Yipppeeeeeee!!!!!!!! Thanks. I feel official now!!!!
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Old 10-04-2008, 08:34 PM   #245
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Ok Cindy I think your using the wrong ICON...it's the third from the far right next to the icon with the mountains (image). If you hold your cursor on the icon it will tell what it does.

Drag and highlight the text I have below on your reply page..scroll down to see my reply then left click highlight the text then right click and copy. Then go up to your reply and right click and paste it. Now highlight it again and left click the qoute tab. the qoutes will appear at the beginning and end of your selected text. Now look at it on the preview post.



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Old 10-04-2008, 08:43 PM   #246
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If you don't like that way you can click on the quote tab which will put everything in the reply in qoutes. You can then highlight the text you don't
want and hit delete then leaving the text you want. Hightlight the text you want then click on the quote icon on the tool bar of the reply page.
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Stubbie-Thanks.....and one quick question before I go for the night. Sitting here in the family room, I notice that the ceiling fan/lights flicker. They are on a dimmer as well. They are both on one 15 amp breaker and have 4-60 watt bulbs in each of the two fans, eight all together. Is that most likely why they flicker. The fans are off right now but the bulbs are flickering.
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MIght be several things...dimmer needs replacement, loose connection somewhere, bulbs have become loose due to fan vibration,....

Is it just the bulbs on the ceiling fan fixtures? Are these bulbs ceiling fan rated?
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Bulbs not loose, don't know the rating....just regular cheap bulbs. Probably not. I guess I will get the proper bulbs and then go from there. Nighty-night all. Catch ya next week when I get home from Spokane!!!!
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Morning Stubbie!!

Was up early this morning...the horses got out and we had to round em up

Anyway, the weather dropped way down last night and our family room was freezing this morning. I am going to put the ceiling fan issue on hold and start on the baseboard heaters.

For a 24 x 24 room, I have one eight footer and two 4 footers. Is it correct that if I install them with 220 its cheaper to run???? Let's start from the beginning with this one, o.k.??

I have 3 available breaker slots in the house panel. I have already cut a hole in the outside wall from the panel...throught the siding...to the exterior. I have installed a weather tight junction box on the exterior to run the initial romex from the interior panel to the exterior box. I have to run emt from that box, 35 feet to the place that I need to cut back into the interior. I have all the weather tight connectors, boxes and emt. What next??? What size breaker do you recommend and what size wire. If you need more info on the heater, I will have it later today. Thanks

By the way, I thought the heater came with a thermostat but I guess that is separate,, huh? DUH
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Any electrician on line...... I finally got the part to do the permanant hook up to the main outside panel from the barn. I ordered a flexible 1-1/4 inch conduit and the appropriate connectors to fit onto my underground conduit that leads to the panel. Low and behold when I looked at the available knock out spaces, there is none for that size. In fact the largest is 3/4 inch. Can I legally saw a new hole in the panel that will accomodate the 1-1/4 inch pipe or what should I do???? The side of the panel has more room to drill than the bottom. Any helpful suggestions????
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For a 24 x 24 room, I have one eight footer and two 4 footers. Is it correct that if I install them with 220 its cheaper to run???? Let's start from the beginning with this one, o.k.?
Cyndi.... I need to know the wattage of the heaters and the voltage they require. For a 24x24 room your going to need around 4800 watts worth of heaters if the room has average insulation and 8 foot ceilings.

No it is not cheaper it is the same cost. With 240 volt heaters you can get twice the heater in watts on smaller wire so you save on installation costs.

Example...2400/120 = 20 amps......2400/240 = 10 amps .... notice the higher voltage is exactly half the amperage to deliver the same power. Baseboard heat is a continuous load so the wire is sized at 125% of the rated load. Sooooo as for wire size the 20 amp load is 1.25 x 20 = 25 amps minimum ampacity of the wire. So you need a 30 amp single pole breaker on 10 awg copper wire.
For the 240 volt heater its 1.25 x 10 = 12.5 amps so 14 awg on a 15 amp double pole breaker.

Anyway give me the specs and manufacturer of the heaters.
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Morning Stubbie- The 8' heater is 2000 watts, 240 volts, 8.3 amps. Mod#8f2000
The two smaller heaters are 500 watts, 240 volts, 2.1 amps each. Mod#2f500
The man. is cadet. Bought em last year from HD. Guess I need to use the two small ones somewhere else and get two more 8 footers.

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Hi Cyndi

I think probably the 6f1500's ( 6 footers) would be fine and that keeps you on a wire size that is much more manageable and you stay within branch circuit limits for baseboard heat. At 5000 watts that is 26 amps needed for the conductor ampacity. So 30 amp double pole breaker using 10/2 G awg copper cable then thhn/thwn through the conduit. Anyway 10 awg copper however you decide to do it. You are just slightly over 30 amps going with 3 eight footers and you wouldn't be code compliant by just a hair... 31 amps and 8 awg wire 40 amp breaker. For a single branch circuit serving more than one heater, the requirement is no more than 30 amps for a single family dwelling.
You should have manuals that give you the wiring diagrams and be sure to get thermostats, you can go to the cadet website for your choices. Being one room I would opt for a single wall mounted double pole thermostat that controlled all 3 heaters.

This is the cadet page with the thermostats that install on the heaters themselves.

http://www.cadetco.com/show_product.php?prodid=1004

As for the single thermostat they only need to be rated for the load so they need to be able to switch 21 amps or there abouts. The line voltage thermostats I'm familiar with usually will switch 22 amps . Any way your choice on how you want to do the thermostats.
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Hey Stubbie! Would it be a bad idea to put the 8 footer on one circuit and the 2-6 footers on another circuit??? The reason I ask is because I have lots of #12 single wire- red, black, green, white but no #10 at this time. Would that work??? I could free up some breakers in my panel to make room for 4 more. Thanks. Cyndi

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