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Old 04-26-2008, 07:35 PM   #166
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I am supposed to pull all the receptacles out of the metal boxes and add a ground screw to the back of the box pigtailing a #12 ground wire to it. Same thing for the light fixtures to make sure the system is safe.
OK. That is required with certain receptacle covers. And not a bad idea for a shed type location. Safe is good.

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Old 04-26-2008, 08:20 PM   #167
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Just don't get too technical on me!!! For the most part, I get what Stubbie is teaching me. Some of the things are a over my head when I first read them. I go over them a few more times and refer to his diagrams and photos and then I seem to get a lot more out of it. Probably not all yet!!!! I don't think I'm doing to bad for and old gal!!!! As long as I can understand the directions and follow them I should be o.k. What I don't understand, I will just ask the same dumb question again!!!! I asked my dad the other day why he didn't teach me any electrical since that was his trade. He said that I was more interested in boys back then. Go figure!!!!!
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Old 04-27-2008, 12:02 AM   #168
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Hello Cyndi

Well it's 11:30 pm here and I'm just getting on the computer. It's been a long day. Several things came up unexpectedly so not able to get back as planned.

John told you correctly on the shared neutral circuit. Be sure that the breaker is a double pole common trip. Be sure your whites are pigtailed to the receptacle.

Now about your equipment grounds. Emt is allowed to serve as the equipment ground. However, you ran a green ground in your circuits and it is required to be connected to the metal box. There are situations with metal box cover types and metal boxes that have direct contact with the metal yoke of a device that does not need to be connected to the green equipment ground you ran and the green screw on the metal yoke of the device.. However it would be almost impossible to go over this...it would take a lot of explanation. Connecting the green to both the yoke and box covers all situations.
Now having said that.... be glad you ran that green in your emt. You never want to rely on emt for your equipment ground in a building or barn that is going to have animals in it. It is only a matter of time before an animal (Like Gaylord) will push , pull, lay against that emt and it come apart and the fault path will be broken back to the source. Or you will hit it with a piece of equipment causing it to come apart. The installation of the green wire, though not required, is something you will never regret in your situation. I would like a dollar for every horse barn I've been in that used emt that I have observed separated emt runs due to damage from animals.
Horses are the absolute worst animal for destroying emt runs.

I liked your joke....

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Old 04-27-2008, 09:59 AM   #169
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Morning! Hey did I miss something before?? I thought if I ran 2 circuits with a shared neutral, I just needed to make sure that the one circuit (red) was on a different breaker pole than the other circuit (black). I didn't buy any double pole common trip breakers other than for the 220 table saw receptacle at 30amps. All of the others are 20 amp regular breakers for the new panel. Do I need to put different breakers on my shopping list????

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P.S. If so,,is that because if one of the 2 circuits trips a single breaker, it will then put an undue load on the other circuit because of the shared neutral???

In the electrical world, wouldn't it be better to put all circuits on their own breaker with their own neutrals to avoid all this confusion?? HAHA
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:28 AM   #170
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In the electrical world, wouldn't it be better to put all circuits on their own breaker with their own neutrals to avoid all this confusion?? HAHA
No, not in the real electrical world. In the DIY electrical world maybe.
Most electricians love MWBC's.

I have not been keeping track of this thread because I saw it was being handled great.



PS- Hey Stubbie, I see you have another fan.
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:15 AM   #171
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P.S. If so,,is that because if one of the 2 circuits trips a single breaker, it will then put an undue load on the other circuit because of the shared neutral???
You are ok with what you did but the answer is this....as long as you have those breakers on opposite legs things are fine (for your situation.) If your local code mandates double poles for shared neutral multiwire circuits ( I've never known any that do ) or your local codes department has adopted the 2008 NEC then you are required to use double pole common trip breakers. This is because they want to assure that both hot wires are disconnected when working on the circuit. And that is because both hot wires appear in most or part of the branch circuit jb's and device boxes and they don't want you mistakenly only turning one breaker off and leaving the other leg of the multiwire hot. Handle tied or common trip double pole breakers assure that both hots are denergized because turning the breaker off turns both legs off.

Use of multiwire shared neutrals for you situation I think is fine as long as you understand how to do them properly.
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I thought the mystery of what I looked like was GOOD????
Well, are ya disappointed???? Now I may never get the help I need By the way, this photo is 10 years old, but I like it !!!!! Add a LITTLE grey hair and a few pounds and ya got me now!!!!!!! HAHA

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Stubbie- O.K. That makes a bucket load of sense I just wanted to make sure we are on the same page.
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Thank God you're not a blonde.....cause then we would start getting the blonde jokes on this thread....whew..

I swear to God I've seen you somewhere... was it sports illustrated swimsuit edition??

Note that was an 'electrical' question....and one my wife always liked....
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I'm out to the barn to do some grounding!!!! If you saw the unedited post, I decided I better omit that before I get myself in trouble........Not really that kinda gal. We better get back to the Elecrical stuff.....!!!
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Old 04-27-2008, 12:20 PM   #176
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Well I'm sure if you had posted it we would never get this barn wired....

By the way you're not hard to look at...... It is my experience that women only get better looking with a few added pounds and years .

How am I doing so far....
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You just scored some big brownie points!!!!
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Uh-oh!! I don"t want the SHERIFF to get me!!!

I'm going to drive the ground rods in today. How far apart should I put the two ground rods? Should I put them on the inside of the barn next to the wall or on the outside?? Either way there will not be a concrete floor.

According to the diagram you sent, they should be buried completely under the ground. Is that right?

I run the bare wire from the ground bar in the panel to the first rod, then jumper it to the second rod from the first clamp without a break in the wire?

The idiots at Home Depot cut my bare wire in half for some reason.

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Good eve Stubbie-

Here is a photo of the new panel. I understand the green screw with the little bar needs to be removed, correct? I went to put the new ground bar kit in and it didn't fit. Then,.......I looked at the package and surprize....it said Square D. The new panel is a Cutler Hammer!!!!! Another point for the Home Depot guys!!!!!! And I guess their 18 year veteran electrician picked it out!!! Hum.........Duh.........Oops!!!!

Needless to say, I haven't got much done in the electrical dept. today. Oh well, it's Sunday.....I should be goofin off anyway.

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