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Old 02-18-2008, 09:45 PM   #16
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Yes you certainly have had to get the most for your buck. I hope the op comes back. I saw this the other day but could see it was well done by the op and deserved a decent effort. It struck me that it would be a good learning tool for some of the homeowner handymen that frequent the site as he has a lot going on in that room plus a feed to a shed.

He asked about suggestions for ceiling fans and frankly I don't have a lot of experience with ceiling fans with heating ability so I am reluctant to suggest any. However the factory page lists 120v 12.5 amps. Fixed space heating equipment is continuous load and required to have conductors that are 125% of the rated load. A motor is involved but has been calculated into the 12.5 amps. Without going into all the codes and considering NM-b as our cabling method you would need conductors rated 20 amps for the 16 amp computed load. 14 awg nm-b is rated 20 amps but is required to be breakered at 15. I think it would be better to run 12 awg breakered at 20 in case he purchases a fan heater needing a larger branch circuit. If we were to put both on one circuit we start into much bigger wire size. Plus I would think you would want to be able to control each fan individually but I would have to go back and review what he was wanting.

We can talk about some of the other things like the a/c and treadmill and microwave over the next few days.


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Old 02-19-2008, 01:36 AM   #17
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I having a little condersating related to the ceiling fan/heater unit.

Stubbie you are right it do need it own circuit but with the size of the garage converted to daycare centre there will be some issueing to keep it warm and those ceiling fan/ heater don't really spit out very large amout of heat just like portable heater dish out [ about 5100 btu each ] so have find out where the OP do live and how well the wall be inslualted ditto with ceiling as well.


The other thing the OP did not catch it here the word " daycare " will automatically reqired a Tamperpoof repectale.

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Hi Frenchy

You know I completely forgot it was a daycare that will have to be taken into consideration by the op. Tamper proof receptacles for sure.

Yeah I just am not familiar with them and wondered how efficient they are.
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Subbie.,,

AFAIK i did install 2 so far seems not too bad but really OP should recondersating about sizing the heaters in there.

The control of this fan is somehow little odd to get used to it but it work allright. performace wise it is not too bad what i heard.

But i am little lerry with ceiling fan in daycare you know how the little kids will have funny idea with ceiling fan{s}. belive me i did see it get damged when the kids get little wild

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Or guys like me that are 6'-4", and our fans stick down at about 6'-6". My wife loves it when I run into the Furnace Duct downstairs, or the Conduit feeding the Stairwell lighting.
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Thanks very much for your input everyone. I was out of town for a death in the family. Thats the reason I'm just getting back to the forum. Thanks again.
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Just for reference, this room is not for daycare use it is for family only use. Does anyone have some heating and cooling idea's.
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There is the Ductless systems, or you can go with the same type that are used in motel rooms for onwall.
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Just wanted to give a big thanks to Stubbie. Thanks for the time and effort you put into the diagram. One more thing; how much to you think it might cost to get a pro to do the wiring? I'm pretty sure I can do all the wiring myself but if will only cost me a couple hundred $ over the wiring materials, my lazy self will just let a pro do it, especially because I have to get a permit on this.
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Are you also wanting the sub-panel done and the trenching to the shed and wiring of the shed? Will you be supplying all fixtures?
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What do you recommend? I'm just wondering if a pro will kill my pockets or will it be better to go to lowes get all the hardware and do everything myself. A few hundred bucks and no headaches is worth it to me, but if getting a pro is gonna cost me crazy money then I'm gonna do the project on my own and muddle threw the permit process and install everything myself. No matter what I will be having a pro run the sub-box from the main box.
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If you are expecting to only pay an electrician a couple hundred dollars over cost of materials, then you are not going to be able to go that route. Your looking at $1000.00 to $1800.00 plus materials. The trenching and backfill likely will be sub-contracted by the electrician. Depends on if he is a one man show or not.

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