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Old 06-02-2012, 09:14 PM   #16
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So you are saying that with all the wires taken apart, they are all hot?

How are you determining that they are hot? With one of those non-contact tester (the one that beeps or flashes when it is near a live wire)? or a actual volt meter?

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Old 06-02-2012, 09:30 PM   #17
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So you are saying that with all the wires taken apart, they are all hot?

How are you determining that they are hot? With one of those non-contact tester (the one that beeps or flashes when it is near a live wire)? or a actual volt meter?
Well yes as far as I can tell. I am using the type of tester that has the plastic slotted tip, so u can stick it in the receptacle or touch a wire.

Hey one thing more, I did get the breaker right the first try, and as far as I can tell that breaker has all of the outlets I mentioned as non working but having power (6), as well as one more outlet. I wish it were that easy, but there's no way it could be that first outlet, could it? It is wired like so: two blk hot wires in, pigtailed, and inserted into the top brass screw. There are also two wht wires in, pigtailed, and inserted into the top silver screw. No ground wire. If I recall, even when the whites were pulled from the back of this working receptacle, the next outlet down the line 's whites were hot, so it can't just be that first receptacle???
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So, by what you are telling me, you don't even know if the white is hot. You could be picking up voltage from somewhere else.

Those non-contact testers are notorious for giving "false" readings. You also can be picking up voltage on the ground/metal box or the black.. If you have an open neutral, you may have voltage on the ground. That could be why you are under the impression that that all the whites are hot even when disconnected. You need to turn the circuit off, put things back together like they were, and call the electrician who worked on your home.

The only other thing you can do is follow the circuit from the panel and check all the splices. You cannot assume that the splices are still good if you see a wirenut or a old taped up splice. However, I don't know why you would attempt this when you paid someone to do a job, and they (possibly) didn't do it correctly.
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How can a little 110 kill someone?
Probably by fibrillation. This
http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/...-the-Body.html
written by a non-engineer pretty well covers it.

Fatalities each year in the U.S. from all voltages is about 1700 people (out of 330 million) so it's way safer than driving a car or smoking. Still, if you off yourself by this method you will get a Darwin Award because you should have known better.
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So, by what you are telling me, you don't even know if the white is hot. You could be picking up voltage from somewhere else.

Those non-contact testers are notorious for giving "false" readings. You also can be picking up voltage on the ground/metal box or the black.. If you have an open neutral, you may have voltage on the ground. That could be why you are under the impression that that all the whites are hot even when disconnected. You need to turn the circuit off, put things back together like they were, and call the electrician who worked on your home.

The only other thing you can do is follow the circuit from the panel and check all the splices. You cannot assume that the splices are still good if you see a wirenut or a old taped up splice. However, I don't know why you would attempt this when you paid someone to do a job, and they (possibly) didn't do it correctly.

Well to be honest, I would do it myself for two reasons.... First, it's the challenge, next, it's just fun. I don't care about the electrician, I don't mind doing it, I like the stress and the shocks. So, assuming all you say is right, I did consider what you said about the false hots.... I did detect falses and I repositioned the wires and did things to verify. Next, if there are 7 receptacles on this circuit, and the problem possibly being in a splice from the panel to the outlets, how can that first outlet be working?
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Well to be honest, I would do it myself for two reasons.... First, it's the challenge, next, it's just fun. I don't care about the electrician, I don't mind doing it, I like the stress and the shocks. So, assuming all you say is right, I did consider what you said about the false hots.... I did detect falses and I repositioned the wires and did things to verify. Next, if there are 7 receptacles on this circuit, and the problem possibly being in a splice from the panel to the outlets, how can that first outlet be working?
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Probably by fibrillation. This
http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/...-the-Body.html
written by a non-engineer pretty well covers it.

Fatalities each year in the U.S. from all voltages is about 1700 people (out of 330 million) so it's way safer than driving a car or smoking. Still, if you off yourself by this method you will get a Darwin Award because you should have known better.
Well that's good to know I suppose. I'm not trying to die, but the uncertainty is a rush. Anyways, I let them taze me at my academy, so what could be worse than that? That felt pretty bad, I'll never do that again...lol
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Well to be honest, I would do it myself for two reasons.... First, it's the challenge, next, it's just fun. I don't care about the electrician, I don't mind doing it, I like the stress and the shocks. So, assuming all you say is right, I did consider what you said about the false hots.... I did detect falses and I repositioned the wires and did things to verify. Next, if there are 7 receptacles on this circuit, and the problem possibly being in a splice from the panel to the outlets, how can that first outlet be working?
Could be a couple of reasons. Of the top of my head those reasons could include but not limited to these outlets not being "daisy chained" like you assume they are, a wire is bad between the first two outlets, or there is a buried splice somewhere.
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Could be a couple of reasons. Of the top of my head those reasons could include but not limited to these outlets not being "daisy chained" like you assume they are, a wire is bad between the first two outlets, or there is a buried splice somewhere.
Okay, we'll I need to go reconnect the pigtails, track the wire from the breaker, and fix anything obvious. After that, I'll be in a better position to talk about this. I do have an electrician nearby just in case. Can't thank you enough, all the guys have been damn helpful.

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You more than likely have an open neutral (grounded conductor) as K Buz has already mentioned. Lose the non contact tester it is worthless to trouble shoot your problem. All it tells you is that power is present but never rely on it to tell what wire is hot. Reverse polarity will not stop an receptacle (outlet) from working. Get a voltage tester that has a light that illuminates when voltage is present, these load the circuit and eliminate induced (false voltages). I would guess that power is probably present at your receptacles but the open in the neutral is preventing a completed circuit.
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You more than likely have an open neutral (grounded conductor) as K Buz has already mentioned. Lose the non contact tester it is worthless to trouble shoot your problem. All it tells you is that power is present but never rely on it to tell what wire is hot. Reverse polarity will not stop an receptacle (outlet) from working. Get a voltage tester that has a light that illuminates when voltage is present, these load the circuit and eliminate induced (false voltages). I would guess that power is probably present at your receptacles but the open in the neutral is preventing a completed circuit.
Thanks, I think you and the buz are correct. I do have one of those voltmeters or tester with the light. I haven't used one since I tried once and this big bang and little fireball blew past my head. It melted my little probes!

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