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ADKstorm 09-27-2007 10:49 AM

Hard wired smoke alarm in NYS
 
(Thought I could get a quick answer without bothering the UL inspector)
I live in New York State. House built in 1982. I am remodeling my first floor, adding new wiring circuit to one room which is being used as a den/computer room. Would I be required to install a hard wired smoke alarm or could I install a battery-operated smoke alarm?

If a hard wired alarm must be installed, I was going to wire it at the end of the circuit. I do realize that I cannot have a GFCI in the circuit between the alarm and the breaker.


Thanks

priestess 04-29-2009 11:40 PM

security
 
ADKstorm, don't you EVER use battery powered smoke alarms! It's not your mp3 player... if there is a fire and it lacks power you'll be deep asleep while burning...
Excause my cruelty but battery smoke alarms (and all battery powered house security systems) are good for camping ONLY and only if you exchange the batteries often enough.
Try calling proffesional house security services and ask the price
http://www.proservices.com/advert/ca...m/region/w-us/
Compare the companies, som of the systems arent expensive but sufficient enough to function well in a house.

theatretch85 04-29-2009 11:57 PM

I am re-wiring my basement in my new house and I am required to install hard-wired smoke detectors throughout the basement. Existing spaces can be battery operated, but I believe if you are doing remodeling work you will be required to make it hard-wired. You will probably also have to install hard-wired smoke detectors throughout the entire area being remodeled where they are required.

Check with your local inspector and ask, in my city they have a hand-out for basement remodels that details what you need to make sure you have done for the inspection, your city may have something similar.

priestess - Although I wouldn't install a strictly battery operated smoke detector (primarily because of the extent of the remodel work I am doing) they are still acceptable for use. Also, every smoke detector I have ever used always beeps when the battery gets low, indicating the battery needs to be changed.

priestess 04-30-2009 12:15 AM

I know they have all certificates (some drugs do too :) but it's just unwise to have them as the only safety measure. The hard wired alarms also have backup batteries but not as the only source of power. Moreover, people usually economise on batteries and still the chaepest batteries can be uncharged from the very beginning or can leak and shortcircut the device so that it wont even make a sound to inform you its uncharging.
Anyway, my mobile also beeps whan its uncharging but I rarely hear it.
I don't say you can't have one - well, anyway thay are sold so you can - but dont feel well protected because you have one. I don't want to argue, but because I've written a few reports (for an insurance company) of the burnt places that were protected by battery devices.

Gigs 04-30-2009 12:37 AM

UL doesn't inspect residential installations.

I, too, think priestess is overreacting. It's bad advice. A battery detector works just fine. I wouldn't want anyone to put off smoke detectors because they were waiting until they got around to putting in a hardwire.

That said, code pretty much everywhere requires hardwired dual power now. But if your choice is between battery or nothing, the battery is definitely the way to go.

Speedy Petey 04-30-2009 06:41 AM

A) The OP is referring to the "New York Board of Fire Underwriters". They are one of the largest private third-party inspection agencies in the state.
Electricians who use them call the "The Board". Most everyone else, including GC's, DIYers and homeowners incorrectly call them "UL".
I get tired of correcting people on this. :whistling2:

B) The OP is from 2007. I think he is done by now.

For reference I will say that if the room is being renovated and it requires a SD (a den does not) then it must be hard wired.
The full code on this goes deep and can be found online. If anyone is interested.

wirenut1110 04-30-2009 06:45 AM

Just an FYI, around here if this room can be used as a bedroom (if it has a closet) it would be required to have arc fault protection, regardless of what you intend to use the room for. Whether the smoke is on that circuit is more of a local preference. A smoke inside the room and outside in the hallway interconnected with existing.

Speedy Petey works in NYS so he may be able to clarify what your requirements are.

Lol, you beat me to the punch.

Scuba_Dave 04-30-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by priestess (Post 267404)
I know they have all certificates (some drugs do too :) but it's just unwise to have them as the only safety measure. The hard wired alarms also have backup batteries but not as the only source of power. Moreover, people usually economise on batteries and still the chaepest batteries can be uncharged from the very beginning or can leak and shortcircut the device so that it wont even make a sound to inform you its uncharging.

And someone can still take the battery out of a hard wired unit
My last house had battery smokes for 7 years
Every Apt had battery smokes - 10+ years before that

Yes, OP from 2007 he might be done
Any reason to pull up a post this OLD?? :huh:

Speedy Petey 04-30-2009 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuba_Dave (Post 267799)
Any reason to pull up a post this OLD?? :huh:

Newbie? :whistling2:

Scuba_Dave 04-30-2009 09:20 PM

Another thread someone pulled up from 5 years ago :laughing:

jbfan 04-30-2009 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuba_Dave (Post 267808)
Another thread someone pulled up from 5 years ago :laughing:

That just means it has aged like fine wine, maddog 2020, boones farm, etc etc etc.:laughing:

Scuba_Dave 04-30-2009 10:39 PM

Boones farm.....made just last week :laughing:

Gigs 04-30-2009 10:58 PM

Quote:

A) The OP is referring to the "New York Board of Fire Underwriters". They are one of the largest private third-party inspection agencies in the state.
Electricians who use them call the "The Board". Most everyone else, including GC's, DIYers and homeowners incorrectly call them "UL".
Well I learned something, so it wasn't a total waste.


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