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Old 04-19-2013, 04:46 PM   #31
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That might be covered in the jobs specs, but it is not in the NEC. The NEC still considers metallic conduit a suitable ground.

Your experiences and preferences are above what is required.
Pipe can become energized if ground is lost had a buddy grab an energized pipe nearly got killed thats why its good practice to pull a ground along with current carrying conductors in pipe

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Really? Here in jersey its noted all the time to pull ground...had a friend grab a
Pipe that became energized hot hurt bad.. Thats why a ground shouldb pulledwhether required or not
The EGC could just as easily be compromised.... Pulling a EGC does not guarantee anything, other than more cost to the installation.
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Pipe can become energized if ground is lost had a buddy grab an energized pipe nearly got killed thats why its good practice to pull a ground along with current carrying conductors in pipe
We all get your opinion on pulling a EGC vs using the conduit as the grounding conductor, but your opinion on one being better is invalid.
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Where, exactly, was the pipe getting its potential from if it was in the ground?
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Really? Here in jersey its noted all the time to pull ground...had a friend grab a
Pipe that became energized hot hurt bad.. Thats why a ground shouldb pulledwhether required or not
Had that happen to me only they had used the pie as a neutral also.
I have always pulled a ground after that.
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This is one of those opinions in the trade that is just silly, Either method is an acceptable one, either method can be become a hazard when the grounding means is compromised, in either scenario, it can happen. If someone is so worried about a circuit being a shock hazard, why not take it to the next step and GFCI protect every circuit.... that will cure your worries.
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We all get your opinion on pulling a EGC vs using the conduit as the grounding conductor, but your opinion on one being better is invalid.
I didnt say it was better i just say i like to pull the ground wire i get the minimum requirements i just say i like to do a little more amd in my experience anyway its always called for on prints to do so.. I get it i really do not trying to argue
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I didnt say it was better i just say i like to pull the ground wire i get the minimum requirements i just say i like to do a little more amd in my experience anyway its always called for on prints to do so.. I get it i really do not trying to argue
Two is better than one, its not required yes we all get that thank u
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I didnt say it was better i just say i like to pull the ground wire i get the minimum requirements i just say i like to do a little more amd in my experience anyway its always called for on prints to do so.. I get it i really do not trying to argue
We all get it its not required but majority still pulls a ground nowadays
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Where, exactly, was the pipe getting its potential from if it was in the ground?
It was energized from a moron not using wirenuts and pipe came in contact with voltage but pipe had a combination of compression and set screw couplings (both poorly tightened) entering panel with no locknut..... Always pull a ground its good practice to do so even if its "acceptable" not to
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It was energized from a moron not using wirenuts and pipe came in contact with voltage but pipe had a combination of compression and set screw couplings (both poorly tightened) entering panel with no locknut..... Always pull a ground its good practice to do so even if its "acceptable" not to
So... someone terminated a conduit without a locknut, had poorly tightened fittings, but you believe this same person is capable of terminating a ground wire properly?
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So... someone terminated a conduit without a locknut, had poorly tightened fittings, but you believe this same person is capable of terminating a ground wire properly?
Hell no thats the problem theres too many poor trained "electritians" that do this kind of stuff and i just suggest that ppl should pull a ground in there conduits when installing new. And never rely on a yoke of an outlet always pigtail... Yes the same moron can come in and cut your ground somehow but cant do nithin 'bout that.
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Hell no thats the problem theres too many poor trained "electritians" that do this kind of stuff and i just suggest that ppl should pull a ground in there conduits when installing new. And never rely on a yoke of an outlet always pigtail... Yes the same moron can come in and cut your ground somehow but cant do nithin 'bout that.
Im just not following your logic... but o'well... I dont see the point in pulling in a ground wire if they are incapable of assembling a conduit system, I don't see how they would be capable of terminating a wire under a screw?
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Im just not following your logic... but o'well... I dont see the point in pulling in a ground wire if they are incapable of assembling a conduit system, I don't see how they would be capable of terminating a wire under a screw?
No your rite they probably couldnt because whoever did that in the first place didnt understand what they was doing probably a maintenance guy or something with no business doing electric work... For new applications by qualified personnel a ground should be pulled so when morons come in later and tinker with pipe the ground is less likely to be compromised so long as the ground also isnt cut but at least u double your chance... I get its not required 20amp or less but i do it and its always specked out to do so by the "genius" elect engineers

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