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mjgumbo 03-21-2010 04:42 PM

Grounding a Hanging chandelier made for a electrical box Mount
 
I am hanging a new chandelier. There is no electrical box to mount it to. I plan to splice it to a plug and plug it into a wall outlet. The chandelier has a copper grounding wire. I have nowhere to ground it. Do I need to ground it if it is going to be plugged into the wall?

Jupe Blue 03-21-2010 05:06 PM

How do you intend to splice on a plug? How will you hang the chandelier from the ceiling? How will you turn it off and on?

It's my opinion that modifying a light fixture by adding a cord cap (plug) will violate the UL listing.

mjgumbo 03-21-2010 05:13 PM

The chandelier will be on a chain hanging from a toggle hook (swag style?). I plan to run the cord through the chain to an in-line on off switch and then plug into the wall.

DangerMouse 03-21-2010 05:42 PM

They sell them at the store that way.....(ungrounded, 2 wires with a 'roll/click' switch.)
If you have a grounded outlet and fixture, use 3 strand wire to braid through the chain.
Personally, I would use the grounded version if it's available to you to use.
If the outlet is two prong, (no ground hole) you can replace it with a GFCI outlet.
But... I might add too that Jupe Blue is absolutely correct in the UL approval.
If the house burns down, the insurance won't pay. Once you modify it in any way, unless you get it inspected and approved......(unlikely) well, you know.....

DM

DangerMouse 03-21-2010 05:50 PM

Can you shoot us a photo of the fixture? And the area you plan on putting it?
Perhaps we can recommend a safe and LEGAL way to mount it?

DM

Scuba_Dave 03-21-2010 06:54 PM

Most overhead fans I have seen have pull chains to turn the light on & off & the fan on & off
Or you could connect a wireless switch

I've never had to do this, but wouldn't have any problem with installing one like that in my house if I had to
They do sell fans w/cords, probably the same model, just a cord tossed in there
I would use a 3 wire cord/plug
This is done fairly often on older homes where getting a wire to the center of the ceiling is very difficult if not impossible

Seems like you are using lamp cord with an inline switch ?

DangerMouse 03-21-2010 07:01 PM

I think the keywords here are: Hanging chandelier made for a electrical box Mount.
This fixture would likely have to be retro-fitted somehow to support the weight of the fixture to the ceiling, and also to the fixture itself to hold it up (chain or otherwise)! Of course, there are accessory parts (even kits) that can be used to accomplish this safely. Pretty much depends on the fixture itself at this point.

DM


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