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operagost 06-05-2012 11:45 AM

Government regulation and unintended consequences
 
So I just learned something today. Back in 2005 (so yes, this time it IS W's fault), our caretakers in Washington wanted us to save energy. So they mandated that ceiling fans come with CFL bulbs, in case we were too stupid to buy them. But wait: what if the light kit design requires candelabra bases? We'd better put in an exception for those! So our caretakers did so, and congratulated themselves. :thumbsup: That's where the thinking stopped. So if you're wondering why nearly every fan has a candelabra base, that's why: because manufacturers naturally didn't want to include a more expensive bulb with the product. Of course, the unintended consequence is that people like me are wasting MORE energy: because the light fixture I replaced could accept plentiful medium base CFL or LED bulbs, but I'm essentially forced to use a wasteful incandescent in this ceiling fan.

So whadda ya think, people: just swap out the dumb candelabra socket for a medium, right? Or do you know where I can get a 750+ lumen LED or CFL that fits, plus won't die in 10 hours from hanging upside down in an enclosed fixture?

Yoyizit 06-05-2012 03:28 PM

Research 'Game Theory' and 'Unintended Consequences'. The intentions of the public policy makers almost becomes irrelevant.

AandPDan 06-05-2012 04:22 PM

Try these:

I have them in my ceiling fans with an enclosed globe.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_44769-3-2975...nfo=Candelabra

operagost 06-05-2012 04:32 PM

Thanks. I have had good luck with Sylvania CFLs.

rjniles 06-05-2012 05:11 PM

As a wise Greek said 2000 years ago: "The first thing we have to do is kill all the politicians and judges."

ddawg16 06-05-2012 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by operagost (Post 936801)
So I just learned something today. Back in 2005 (so yes, this time it IS W's fault), our caretakers in Washington wanted us to save energy. So they mandated that ceiling fans come with CFL bulbs, in case we were too stupid to buy them. But wait: what if the light kit design requires candelabra bases? We'd better put in an exception for those! So our caretakers did so, and congratulated themselves. :thumbsup: That's where the thinking stopped. So if you're wondering why nearly every fan has a candelabra base, that's why: because manufacturers naturally didn't want to include a more expensive bulb with the product. Of course, the unintended consequence is that people like me are wasting MORE energy: because the light fixture I replaced could accept plentiful medium base CFL or LED bulbs, but I'm essentially forced to use a wasteful incandescent in this ceiling fan.

So whadda ya think, people: just swap out the dumb candelabra socket for a medium, right? Or do you know where I can get a 750+ lumen LED or CFL that fits, plus won't die in 10 hours from hanging upside down in an enclosed fixture?

I think you didn't look hard enough.

I have quite a few 7w candelabra CFL's in my house....like all of the kids night lites....hall lights....Sconce lights...

Not sure what the problem is....

BTA....I don't light real bright lights in the ceiling...I much prefer indirect light or task lighting....

operagost 06-05-2012 11:19 PM

A 7W CFL is like 200 lumens. That is the problem. This is a single socket rated for 60W to provide primary light for a bedroom.

goosebarry 06-06-2012 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AandPDan (Post 937002)
Try these:

I have them in my ceiling fans with an enclosed globe.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_44769-3-2975...nfo=Candelabra

I'll second this.
We use these bulbs mounted upside down. They have been running for a year. They also seem to be brighter than other 60 watt CFL equivalents.

operagost 06-06-2012 10:11 AM

That's exactly what I like to hear. I have had many, many CFLs die prematurely when mounted upside down. GEs are terrible; they're likely to die prematurely even if they're not upside down. Philips are better; most of these have lasted a few years, but the ones upside down do die quicker. Sylvania seems to be the best; I bought two in 2007 and one is still working. Small sample; I know.


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