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ckcrew 12-10-2006 01:34 AM

got rid of kitchen island, how to get rid of the electrical wire from floor
 
i bought a home recently and got rid of the nasty kitchen island. the island had an electrical outlet on it. we are going to just put a free standing island in its place after we tile the kitchen, but how can i get rid of the electrical wire coming up from the ground? i thought about turning off the circuit at the breaker box and just tucking the wire back into the ground but there must be a way to completely eliminate the wire. and besides i cant turn the whole circuit off since it powers most of the outlets in the kitchen. any suggestions would be most appreciated.

Mike Swearingen 12-10-2006 09:53 AM

Is this over a basement or crawlspace?
If it is, you should be able to easily trace the island wire back to its connection on that circuit, and simply disconnect it there (circuit breaker OFF of course), and remove that wire.
Good Luck!
Mike

joed 12-10-2006 11:20 AM

Find the other end of the wire and cut it off there. Then you can cut it off at the floor level if you can't get at it from below.

Sportbilly 12-10-2006 12:23 PM

Please lets not just cut it off at either, or both ends, that wire needs to be removed from the box completely. Box open, wires disconnected, joints remade with wires to remain, and box closed.

mdshunk 12-10-2006 03:05 PM

If, by chance, this is finished space below, you can install a floor rated receptacle/cover combination in the floor under the new freestanding furniture type island. Not the best solution, but often the only compliant solution when there is finished space below. If you can find the receptacle which feeds this cable, you can disconnect that cable in that receptacle and abandon it in place (shove it inside the floor). Despite what Sportbilly seems to say, there is no requirement in the NEC to remove any disconnected or abandoned piece of cable, either from the structure or the box that feeds it. It might be a fine idea, but it is not expressly required.

ckcrew 12-11-2006 12:56 AM

since i live in texas i dont have a basement or crawlspace. okay, from the responses i think just cutting the wire at floor level and shoving it back into the ground would be the easiest thing to do. but where do you think the most logical place would be for me to kill the power to that wire? since there arent any space below my house do you think the receptacle that feeds this wire is in the attic somewhere? or perhaps somewhere close to the circuit breaker box? that circuit powers the island outlet as well as three wall outlets in the kitchen. and i have a one story home. Also, do you think opening up the cicuit breaker box can assist me in searching for this receptacle?

mdshunk 12-11-2006 01:15 AM

The receptacle that feeds that wire is likely to be one of your kitchen countertop receptacles. I'd first turn off the breakers one by one to find out what circuit that wire is on. The receptacles that are also off when that breaker is off will be one of the one's that feed that island cable. Take those apart one by one to find the other end of that cable.

Anyhow... how can you push a cable down into the floor if you don't have a crawl space?

ckcrew 12-11-2006 09:09 AM

got it mdshunk

that sounds easy enough. im going to cut the wire at floor level and just push the little protruding part of the wire into the ground. i wouldnt have to tape the ends or anything since its a dead wire, right?

Mike Swearingen 12-11-2006 09:33 AM

Since you're on a slab, if you disconnect it at the nearest kitchen receptacle or wherever it's connected to the circuit, you may be able to just pull it out of conduit in the slab.
In any case, as advised, you need to diconnect it from its power source before all else.
Mike

ckcrew 12-11-2006 09:58 AM

okay the island receptacle is the very last link of that circuit. so most likely i should try to disconnect the receptacle furthest away from the breaker box, right? i guess what im trying to ask is, this circuit should make a long line with the island receptacle being the last one, instead of the island being connected to a receptacle that is located somewhere in the middle of that line. haha, sorry if this question is extremely elementary for some of you.

p.s. the kitchen is a very basic L shape with the island in the middle.

KUIPORNG 12-11-2006 01:22 PM

If the receptacle is the last device in the circuit, I think you should locate the device prior to it, then broken the connection there and pigtail the void lines... the question is then how do you know which device is the one prior to it.... for that... I do not know... I hope there is a better way then opening up all devices to take a look... but if you can find out all devices in the circuit... chance is the one close by to the receptacle would be the one prior to it...

Sportbilly 12-11-2006 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdshunk (Post 26526)
Despite what Sportbilly seems to say, there is no requirement in the NEC to remove any disconnected or abandoned piece of cable, either from the structure or the box that feeds it. It might be a fine idea, but it is not expressly required.

You'd leave it connected to the supply in the feed box and the other end hanging wild after the device box is removed? Not opining about the abandoned wire removal, just don't want anyone cutting the wire and turning the breaker back on ("It didn't trip, must be ok I guess" LOL)

Good idea about the floor device though. :)

ckcrew 12-14-2006 12:42 AM

i located the receptacle the wire was connected to. disconnected the wire from the receptacle and taped the dead wire with electrical tape so no bare wire shows. on the other end i cut the wire as close to floor level as possible and ground the conduit down to the floor for the tile guys to come and tile over. i appreciate everyone's suggestions.:)

A.W.Davis 12-14-2006 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckcrew (Post 26846)
i located the receptacle the wire was connected to. disconnected the wire from the receptacle and taped the dead wire with electrical tape so no bare wire shows. on the other end i cut the wire as close to floor level as possible and ground the conduit down to the floor for the tile guys to come and tile over. i appreciate everyone's suggestions.:)

How did you end up located the proper wire in your kitchen receptacles for the island?

ckcrew 12-14-2006 10:38 AM

played with the breaker box until i found all the receptacles that were connected to that circuit. then i disconnected the first set of wires from the receptacle closes to the island. checked the island wire for current and no current was showing. so i was lucky enough to get the right recepatacle and wires on the first try.


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