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tibberous 01-16-2013 01:19 PM

Good generator?
 
What do you guys think of this generator?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:X:RTQ:US:1123

Probably going to cost about $8,000 total (shipping and customs), then like $500 to rent a forklift to move it.

Does it look like a good generator though? Seem to have all the stuff people try and upcharge for (fuel tank, enclosure, muffler, ect)

Do I just use this wire to hook it up? http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-GAUGE-WIRE...-/280960244729

Do you / should you ground it?

Sorry if my questions are a little basic - I'm hoping it comes with a manual or something. The plan is to run it to a panel box about 10-15 feet away.

AandPDan 01-16-2013 01:39 PM

What are you planning to run?

No on the wire, that junk is for cars.

tibberous 01-16-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AandPDan (Post 1094927)
What are you planning to run?

No on the wire, that junk is for cars.

A GE panel box.

I was afraid of that =/

Is this the kind I need? http://www.ebay.com/itm/250-1-0-awg-...item2320a3abcc

Really expensive - can't find just a 50' length of it.

AandPDan 01-16-2013 02:17 PM

GE panel box, OK. What are you trying to run off the panel box. It's way overkill for your house.

What wire depends on how you plan to hook it up. If you're running conduit to it then probably type THWN. Check with your local AHJ.

You'll need 4 wires, the ground can be reduced in size.

SeniorSitizen 01-16-2013 02:39 PM

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Grounding can be nothing more than a pail of dirt and re-bar with a green wire in an attempt to meet code. :laughing::laughing::laughing: but check with your local code gods before adopting this method. :no: This may be an " ILLEGAL " trick.

64pvolvo1800 01-16-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tibberous (Post 1094946)
A GE panel box.

I was afraid of that =/

Is this the kind I need? http://www.ebay.com/itm/250-1-0-awg-...item2320a3abcc

Really expensive - can't find just a 50' length of it.


Dont forget, when this thing has trouble, and it WILL, SERVICE is what you pay more for when you buy a name brand. The alternator is a Stamford Newage whcih is fine, but not sure what the engine is.

Oso954 01-16-2013 02:52 PM

A generator of that size is going to consume about 3 gallons an hour at full load. Having enough fuel to run it continuously can be a problem.

This is a Chinese clone of a Perkins diesel. How loud is it ? Even "quieted" a diesel generator can be extremely annoying to your neighbors.

You might want to compare diesel generators to Natural Gas/LP generators.

tibberous 01-16-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Oso954 (Post 1094985)
You might want to compare diesel generators to Natural Gas/LP generators.

It seems like NG generators are a little more expensive (both to buy and operate) and don't have the amps to support their watts.

Not really anyone to hear it anyway, and I'm sticking it in a building.

Still not sure what wire to buy. If I want 200amps @ 120vac, do I size the wire for 200amps or 100amps? Isn't it like +120 and -120, so the amps will be split between two wires?

Is the difference between speaker wire, THWN, ect. just the shielding? They have this stuff for cheap but it's aluminum - just don't want it to melt: http://www.ebay.com/itm/250-1-XHHW-A...item2314fddae5

AandPDan 01-16-2013 03:14 PM

There's nothing wrong with aluminum in the larger sizes. It's very common.

Yes, it's the shielding that matters - it has to be approved by the NEC. You can't use just any wire.

As to size, let the experts chime in.

Oso954 01-16-2013 03:19 PM

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...and don't have the amps to support their watts.
:confused1:

64pvolvo1800 01-16-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tibberous (Post 1095002)
It seems like NG generators are a little more expensive (both to buy and operate) and don't have the amps to support their watts.

Not really anyone to hear it anyway, and I'm sticking it in a building.

Still not sure what wire to buy. If I want 200amps @ 120vac, do I size the wire for 200amps or 100amps? Isn't it like +120 and -120, so the amps will be split between two wires?

Is the difference between speaker wire, THWN, ect. just the shielding? They have this stuff for cheap but it's aluminum - just don't want it to melt: http://www.ebay.com/itm/250-1-XHHW-A...item2314fddae5


Several questions arise;
1) NG engine is always cheaper up front.
2) Watts IS amps x volts
3) A 200 Amp service is @-200A 120V legs.
4) Wire rating= # equals conductor size, type letters dictate the insulation and/or application.
5) What purpose is your need? standby or prime power for a shop?
6) If you are putting it in a bldg, you should be careful to be certain you get fresh air IN and hot air and exhasut fumes OUT. Air in should be at least 1.5 times the area of the radiator outlet duct and the outlet should be directed through a duct 1.5 times the surface area as well.

Speedy Petey 01-16-2013 05:11 PM

This whole thread scares me!
Just reading the original post SCREAMS "Hire an electrician!!".

Speedy Petey 01-16-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tibberous (Post 1094907)

Probably going to cost about $8,000 total (shipping and customs), then like $500 to rent a forklift to move it.

Customs?
Where do you live?

dmxtothemax 01-16-2013 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tibberous (Post 1094907)
What do you guys think of this generator?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:X:RTQ:US:1123

Probably going to cost about $8,000 total (shipping and customs), then like $500 to rent a forklift to move it.

Does it look like a good generator though? Seem to have all the stuff people try and upcharge for (fuel tank, enclosure, muffler, ect)

Do I just use this wire to hook it up? http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-GAUGE-WIRE...-/280960244729

Do you / should you ground it?

Sorry if my questions are a little basic - I'm hoping it comes with a manual or something. The plan is to run it to a panel box about 10-15 feet away.


It's ok as far as gennys go !
But why do you want one so large ?
Most people would use one much smaller !

diystephen 01-16-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tibberous (Post 1095002)
It seems like NG generators are a little more expensive (both to buy and operate) and don't have the amps to support their watts.

I'm not sure what you mean by the bold. What is the generator for specifically? Has a load calculation been done?


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