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Old 10-01-2011, 11:01 AM   #1
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We have an offer on our home and the FHA inspector is coming tomorrow for the inspection. I noticed that only one of the kitchen outlets (above the countertops) has GFCI (furthest from the sink??). My husband wants to switch the remaining outlets to GFCI - is this needed? OUr home is only 12 years old.
Is there a rule of thumb or code that tells you how far the outlet has to be from the water source? Same with the bathrooms - not all outlets have the GFCI.
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Old 10-01-2011, 11:08 AM   #2
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Given the age of your house I would think you would be up to snuff regarding GFI protection in the kitchen and bath. Trip the GFI and see if you lose power to the other receptacles.

Kitchen countertop receptacles require GFI protection regardless of the distance from a water source.

All bathroom receptacles require GFI protection.

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There is misconception to the requirements for GFCI protection and distances from water sources in residential kitchens and baths.

Only receptacles in a kitchen that serve the countertop require GFCI protection, and as Jim mentioned, regardless of the distance from any water source. Receptacles for the typical stove or refrigerator don’t require GFCI protection, as they don’t serve the countertop, for example. A GFCI receptacle will protect itself, and other receptacles ‘down-stream’ of it, when properly installed to the load terminals of the GFCI receptacle. It is not uncommon in a kitchen to find only 2 GFCI receptacles, as much of the time they are protecting the other countertop receptacles.

In bathrooms, all receptacles must be GFCI protected, regardless of where they are mounted. In my own bathroom, I have a receptacle that is over 6 feet from the nearest edge of the basin, but since it technically is in the bathroom, it requires GFCI protection.

Now there is a ‘6 foot’ as applied to GFCI protected receptacles, but it doesn’t apply to residential kitchens or baths.

2011 NEC

210.8 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection for
Personnel. Ground-fault circuit-interruption for personnel
shall be provided as required in 210.8(A) through (C). The
ground-fault circuit-interrupter shall be installed in a
readily accessible location.

(A) Dwelling Units.
(7) Sinks — located in areas other than kitchens where
receptacles are installed within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the outside
edge of the sink

(B) Other Than Dwelling Units.
(5) Sinks — where receptacles are installed within 1.8 m
(6 ft) of the outside edge of the sink.
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Thanks guys for your help. We only have 1 GFCI in the kitchen but it never dawned on us that the other outlets would be tied to it. My husband just checked and sure enough when he tripped the GFCI there was no power to the other 5-6 outlets.
We noticed that our bathrooms are not completely GFCI - one bathroom has 2 outlets but only 1 is GFCI. Maybe it is tied to the other??? Or should all outlets be GFCI in that one small space?
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It is not uncommon in a kitchen to find only 2 GFCI receptacles, as much of the time they are protecting the other countertop receptacles.
Yup. I have one on each side of our sink and between the two, the whole kitchen is covered.

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Test the bathroom the same way you did the kitchen receptacles. The one may be downstream of a GFI.

There should have been two 20 amp countertop circuits in the kitchen.
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Again, all bath receptacles have to be GFCI protected, but that doesn’t mean all bath receptacles have to be of the GFCI receptacle type. Just like the kitchen (as you found out), one GFCI receptacle will protect others ‘down-stream’ of it.

See Jim’s post #6.
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We noticed that our bathrooms are not completely GFCI - one bathroom has 2 outlets but only 1 is GFCI. Maybe it is tied to the other??? Or should all outlets be GFCI in that one small space?
The bathrooms should be 20 amps and covered by GFCI, yes. One GFCI can cover multiple standard outlets.

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Thanks guys for your help. We only have 1 GFCI in the kitchen but it never dawned on us that the other outlets would be tied to it. My husband just checked and sure enough when he tripped the GFCI there was no power to the other 5-6 outlets.
Are you saying that when you tripped one GFCI, all the counter top receptacles did not have power?

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We noticed that our bathrooms are not completely GFCI - one bathroom has 2 outlets but only 1 is GFCI. Maybe it is tied to the other??? Or should all outlets be GFCI in that one small space?
As stated already, all bathroom receptacles require GFCI protection.

You tripped the GFCI and the other receptacle in the bathroom still had power?
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We just checked the bathrooms and 2 of them were okay (2 were on the GCFI one). I have another question concerning the laundry area. Okay, we noticed right behind the washing machine there is a regular outlet - which is pretty close to the sink.
Since there is a bathroom right on the other side of the laundry area, my husband check to see if it was on the bathroom GFCI and it wasnt. So, I am guessing this one needs to be GFCI?? Also in the same laundry area (which is in the basement) there is an outlet up in the beams and this is where the h2o softener is plugged in at. I noticed that someone wrote on that box 'water not GFI protected'. Would this one need a new GFCI outlet too. Not sure how this passed inspection 6 years ago when we bought the house. ???
Reading the posts, it looks like we need 20 amp in bathrooms.... my dh bought 15 amp so he will need to get the right ones.
Again, thanks for all your help!!!!!!!!
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Are you saying that when you tripped one GFCI, all the counter top receptacles did not have power?
Yep.. is that strange to have so many outlets on 1 GFCI???
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You can put 15 amp receptacles on a 20 amp circuit.

What year was house built?

What about my kitchen question?
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Yep.. is that strange to have so many outlets on 1 GFCI???
That is not a problem.

What may be a problem is if the counter tops are served by 1 circuit. It should have 2.
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You can put 15 amp receptacles on a 20 amp circuit.

What year was house built?

What about my kitchen question?

Our home was built in 1999. Sorry for the dumb question but is kitchen electrical 20 amps??? If it is then we can use the 15 amp GFCI receptical my husband bought for the bathroom???
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Do you want to bring the this stuff to current codes?

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