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radiodale 06-10-2013 11:29 PM

GFCI will not protect five outlets
 
I have installed many GFCI outlets and wired them to protect down line outlets. I am helping a neighbor by installing one in his storage building. There are five wall mounted outlets. I installed the GFCI in the first one and fed the rest from the "load" side. The reset button will not stay in. I even substituted another GFCI. Same problem. When I disconnect the hot and neutral from the load side I am able to operate the reset button.

Your ideas are welcome.

Thank you,
Dale

jproffer 06-10-2013 11:56 PM

Then there is a fault downstream. A GFI should protect 5 receptacles with no problem.

sirsparksalot 06-10-2013 11:56 PM

There's a problem down stream? Do the downstream receptacle work without the GFCI in the first receptacle? Put the regular recep. back in and check those.

frenchelectrican 06-11-2013 12:13 AM

Check the rest of the receptals downstream and double check the netural / ground it should not be touching each other.

It easy to check all of them at once then you will know you got it otherwise it can be a easter egg hunt.

Merci,
Marc

oleguy74 06-11-2013 12:14 AM

possible ground and neutral making contact on load side.

jeffnc 06-11-2013 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oleguy74 (Post 1198977)
possible ground and neutral making contact on load side.

That's the only thing that makes sense.

joecaption 06-11-2013 08:34 AM

Powers on when your trying to reset it?

hammerlane 06-11-2013 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radiodale (Post 1198961)
The reset button will not stay in.Your ideas are welcome.

My idea because it happened to me was when you pushed one of the protected receptacles back in the the box some of the insulation was scraped off the wire and is making contact with something it should not be making contact with.

Jim Port 06-11-2013 08:52 AM

Split the wires at the 3rd box. Reconnect the GFI and see if it works. If yes, the problem is in box 4 or 5. If no, the problem is in the first 3 boxes.

dmxtothemax 06-11-2013 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radiodale (Post 1198961)
I have installed many GFCI outlets and wired them to protect down line outlets. I am helping a neighbor by installing one in his storage building. There are five wall mounted outlets. I installed the GFCI in the first one and fed the rest from the "load" side. The reset button will not stay in. I even substituted another GFCI. Same problem. When I disconnect the hot and neutral from the load side I am able to operate the reset button.

Your ideas are welcome.

Thank you,
Dale

For GFCI's to work properly,
It's important that the earth and neutral lines are sperate,
And both go back to the main panel as seperate lines.
There should also not be any extra earths, apart from the
one and only main one at the panel.

k_buz 06-11-2013 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmxtothemax (Post 1199561)
For GFCI's to work properly,
It's important that the earth and neutral lines are sperate,
And both go back to the main panel as seperate lines.
There should also not be any extra earths, apart from the
one and only main one at the panel.

What the wires do before the GFI does not matter. Most ground and neutral wires go to the same bar in the panel.

jeffnc 06-12-2013 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmxtothemax (Post 1199561)
For GFCI's to work properly,
It's important that the earth and neutral lines are sperate,
And both go back to the main panel as seperate lines.
There should also not be any extra earths, apart from the
one and only main one at the panel.

Why? A GFCI circuit doesn't know where the current goes after it leaves the circuit. It couldn't possibly tell if the ground and neutral are connected after the circuit. A GFCI circuit only knows if the current going into it equals the current going out of it.

dmxtothemax 06-12-2013 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffnc (Post 1199698)
Why? A GFCI circuit doesn't know where the current goes after it leaves the circuit.

Are you talking about before or after the gfci ?

jeffnc 06-12-2013 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmxtothemax (Post 1199720)
Are you talking about before or after the gfci ?

By "circuit" I mean the GFCI circuitry.

MTN REMODEL LLC 06-12-2013 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmxtothemax (Post 1199720)
Are you talking about before or after the gfci ?

It does not matter to the GFI what happens upstream from it.


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